[oldman]

My lame 09 has a lifetime warranty, looks way better than a 11, no DWB, and I've got more than two years of thumbs up, hot chicks asking about the car etc, having a trend car for two years, it was all glory:bigthumb: Oh an my "lame" 09 weighs in 200 lbs less, and as soon as I can get the part numbers, I'll upgrade to 11 suspension parts..

 

[oldman]

LOL okay okay i apologize, i meant the "lame" being the giant steering wheel, non push start,

You think the push start is cool? LOL it is a useless toy, just one more thing that adds weight, cost money and will break, and it is completely useless. Put down the Iphone and drive.

There was a good article a while back on why German cars now suck, basically all the nick nacks cost money, don't add to the feel and drive of the car and um the Japanese just do it better for cheaper. People buy a German / Euro car for the look and drive feel, the design of the interior, the euro prestiege, try to add all the bells and whistle does not turn a BMW into more of the "perfect driving machine" it turns it into an American living room and guess what, stuff breaks and adds weight and cost. Ain't fun when your Volvo R is broke with $1700 GPS screen stuck out of the dash and beeping. Come the 11 has much to offer, but push button start, oh well each to his own.

 

[oldman]

Push button start is great, check it out, paired with the keyless entry - you can have keys in your jacket or pants, walk up to the locked and alarmed car, it automatically unlocks and disarms. Then you sit down, hit the start button, and go. Slick. I've never had it before but now that I do it's an option I would pay to have. I've always wondered why cars had a twisty ignition, compared to motorcycles.

There are some lame things about all the models... it's all perspective.

Yep all great till i bust, but it only cost mone,y time, added weight and complication to what is a very simple procedure. Like I said put down the Iphone and drive, saves lives. It is all perspective..

 

[oldman]

I bet the keyless entry adds less than 1 lb of weight to the car, and only a few hundred lines of code in the software. Yes, it is more complicated inside, but externally it makes the driver's life much simpler.

I would bet you nor I have any clue what it adds, how about add a transmitter and reciever all built into the ECU of the car and if it ever lets out the magic smoke it will require a brand spanking new ECU, a tow, and a reprogram all or which would take 2 weeks and $2000 later you can have your car back. Let me guess you forgot that the magic information had to get from one place to another, that alone tells me the battery in the key can't last anywhere close to what a one way remote would last. The cost of replacing a magic key.. not cheap. So please don't bet if you really don't know.

You feel the Keyless push button is the most important, making other models of Challenger "lame", I feel a FAR FAR FAR better suspension setup is the most important change. Amen. Let it be.

 

[oldman]

well, since you edit your post who know what you said, something like my 11 fixed all the "lame stuff", err :scratchhead: what lame stuff??? To be fair to you let me check....

Cody wrote

i meant the "lame" being the giant steering wheel, non push start

Don't see any engine in there? Do you? Heck your first post did not even mention what was lame, as ALL older models were "lame". So that's the "deal".

This thread was already long dead for me, but it seems you want to bring it back.