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Okay, so last week I had the challenger dropped, using the eibach pro-kit. A buddy that works at a local dealership hooked me up.(not dodge). After they were done I asked if it needed a alignment and they said no, that none of the chambers had been moved and that they only moved the hard points. I couldn't believe it so today I had a dodge dealership check it out.. And they also said NO! Its not needed.So is this even possible. Car rides great, I was just worried about the thread wear on these soft tires.. Any opinions??
 

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i did mine as well ,then drove home 150 miles.
steering was bang on, but i will still get an alignment .
by the time misalignment shows on tread its too late to save your tires without compromise .
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That's the thing tho..I had dodge check it out and they say all is good..so what is there to align if they claim it's dead on??
 

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i always get an alignment after a few hundred miles after install. that way everything is settled. id get one just to be safe. a $70 alignment is better then a new set of tires. but out of the 3 or 4 cars ive done the only one i had issue with was the air ride. chances are your probalby good. but as i said. doesnt hurt to check.
 

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Alignment????

Uh uh uh uh aaahhhhh!

My 2010 RT was lowered last week with Pro Kit (springs and sway bars). I knew it would need an alignment. You DROP any car and it will need adjustments. My front dropped just over two inches. I took my ride to the best Tech/Alignment rack in town. Get her up on the rack and take readings. We look at the screen and my tech says... Ewwwww.... there was lots of red on that screen. So we work the rear first. Camber is out. Toe is good. Fifteen minutes later the rear is all green. Easy! The fronts.... not so easy. Camber way out. Drop the front sway bar to get at the lower control arm bolts for the adjustment. Guess what? Ma Mopar doesn't give you any adjustment. Camber adjust bolts at the dealer ($130 each Canadian) and they provide minimal adjustment. No go. My ride needs more. What to do? Adjustble control arms ordered yesterday. Install on Thursday. Yup... more $$$ but it will be done right. Shop around man. Find a good tech with the latest aligner (Hunter is good) and get it checked out. Get all the adjustments done and you will get the most bang for the buck in your investment.

Good Luck.

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So I just came back to the dealership at dodge to pick my car up..I dad the remote start added. I asked again.... Are you sure it doesn't need a alignment? He replies.. Trust me, it doesn't..I have all the notes here and believe me,these guys are hungry for work, if your car needed it we would do it.

So believe me guys I wanna have it done BUT it seems there isn't anything to do.. I'll have discount tire check it out, I guess
 

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So, they put it on the alignment machine, or did they say in their infinite wisdom it wasn't necessary? ANY TIME you change ride height, it affects camber which affects toe. Checked mine today ( I know, it's been two months lol) if I want to correct front and rear camber, I need the aftermarket parts. Rear toe wasn't out as bad as the front. Oh, and afterwards don't forget to reset the steering angle sensor.


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I installed Eibach Pro springs about 500 miles ago, never had the alignment checked. Steering wheel is straight, no pulling. I figure if it wears the tires a little, I'll get to replace them with better tires sooner.

If the alignment is off, I don't think it's gonna be off by much, it looks fine visually, so if it's off a little, the tires will wear a little faster, I can live with that. No way am I gonna start replacing front suspension parts to get it perfect. That's just me...
 

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I installed Eibach Sportline springs and did not require alignment. Many folks here have done the same. Besides, you cannot adjust the camber without installing a camber kit. Drove it for a year, with even wear. Traded it in on my 2010 Det Yellow R/T

Don't worry.... you'll be fine.
 

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I agree, anytime you lower a car it's probably going to affect the alignment. I put new springs on my 2010 R/T, lowered it 1.5 inches all around (perfect stance now). Took it to a local Tires Plus and had alignment checked. They said both front and rear camber/caster and toe were out. Would have to order new rear camber bushings because stock ones would not bring it in ($90.00 X 2), also said they would have to adjust engine cradle to get front in alignment (3 plus hours of labor) All and all, $480.00 parts and labor.

Wanting second opinion, I took it to Dodge dealership, they also said it was out of alignment. Here's the rub, they didn't have the correct software for their machine so they had to do it manually. Adjusted front and rear, got it within "Specs", however, the tech wasn't sure if he should use SRT specs or R/T specs, since after lowering, SRT spec would seem more appropriate, which I have to agree with. Cost $100.00 at dealership, with no parts required.

Unless they put it on the machine to check it, I don't know how they can say it doesn't need it. Before you take it in, make sure they have the correct software. I would pose the following question, Should the alignment use R/T or SRT specs after it's lowered? Any opinions?
 

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with springs only ... R/T specs
springs and sways .. SRT
JMO
Wouldn't it depend on whether or not you have Trac Pac or Super Track Pac. From what I understood, the R/T with the Trac Pac or Super Track Pac has the same suspension on the rear as the SRT, with an even better sway bar?
 

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I had MOPAR coilovers installed on my car a few thousand miles ago. It was done at a mod friendly Chrysler dealer. I asked about an alignment and was told by the service manger that I don't need one.

Tires are wearing evenly and the steering is spot on. It tracks perfectly and I have no intention of getting it aligned. My experience anyway.
 

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So I just came back to the dealership at dodge to pick my car up..I dad the remote start added. I asked again.... Are you sure it doesn't need a alignment? He replies.. Trust me, it doesn't..I have all the notes here and believe me,these guys are hungry for work, if your car needed it we would do it.

So believe me guys I wanna have it done BUT it seems there isn't anything to do.. I'll have discount tire check it out, I guess
How much did the dealer charge to add remote start?

And as far as alignment goes. Had my pro-kit (springs and dampers) installed last weekend. Car pulled to the right, but had already planned on getting it aligned anyways. Took it to an alignment specialist and they got it back within specs. Camber in the rear is at lower limits, but I don't think I will mind.

My opinion, try an alignment specialist, rather than a discount tire kind of place. Also, from what I've read, some people may have different specs than others for our cars.
 

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I lowered mine with KW coil overs, went to a performance shop for alignment check, just about everything was off, in the red (according to them). They adjusted what they could, brought it all back to green. Noticed it still had some issues (very small though, just slightly different than before lowering). Dealership also told me everything was spot on. Took it to ta third place who said it needed some minor tweaking, they tweaked it, rides perfectly again.

Guess it all depends on who you take it too??? Roll of the dice??
 

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It also seems there are people who lower it for looks and people who really want to improve handling, if the handling improvement is very important than I would say an alignment is a must. But then in that case if handling is so important you might want an alignment with something other than factory specs.
 

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Does your run of the mill alignment shop know how to align a car with aftermarket adjustable control arms, bolts etc?
 

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why yes shok, my "redneck run of the mill" alignment shop knows how to align everything properly. its not rocket science. I installed the springs and control arms myself. it really just depends on your wheel size and width. By the time you replace your tires you could of just installed the control arms and saved yourself. Plus it will add to the value of your vehicle.

The control arms adjusting capabilty will bring a vehicle's camber back to factory specifications. There is a probability of a lot of excessive negative camber. While some negative camber aids in improving traction and road adhesion, too much can result in compromised handling and accelerated tire wear.

With a $30k plus car why not just at least do a cheap $60 alignment or add a $300 part? :scratchhead:

I have the sportlines on mine.
 
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