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Here's motor trends first test:
2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat Front Wheels Photo 1

I'm a little surprised they were real drive 3.7 seconds 0 to 60 but could only manage an 11.7 Quartermile. I'll say it again they should've put on those P corsa zero from the Viper, none of this all season tire crap. I know there's guys saying the GT500 has crappy tires factory but they're a lot better than all season tires. Also I think it's really stupid that they do their testing on a regular road. If you're going to quarter-mile testing why wouldn't you do it at a dragstrip and get true times. They need to do a head-to-head and bring the cars to a true dragstrip none of this bullshit street testing. I did notice the trap speeds were identical though. Interested to see a head to head comparison.
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The numbers will be better on slicks and on a better surface.

What really stands out to me here is Johnny Lieberman's opinion on the car. He gets to drive pretty much everything, and for him to use such positive words in talking about the Hellcat is a big deal. Especially considering he'd take one over an F12 Berlinetta, GT500, ZL1, and even Viper.
I agree with you it'll run much better times with better tires. Ya he did seem to really enjoy and like the car, so that's great to hear. I'm going to just get the stock all season tires, and as soon as I get one within 1000 miles I'll have new sticky tires!
 

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Prepared surface versus real world surface, GT500 wins this one. .1 behind, not bad. This is fueling the Mustang forums, lol.
I'd disagree, from a roll I'd say gt500 has edge but stand still I highly doubt guys are launching gt500 on the street better. When's the last time you did a 1/4 mile race on the street! I've never lined up with a guy on the street and been like ok 1/4 mile!!! I bet on the street (especially without launch control) you'd outrun most gt500 before you slow down. Time will tell!!!
 

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Where does it say Motor Trend tested it with the all-season crappy tires? I thought the Hellcat had an upgraded option for high performance tires: 275/40ZR20 TIRES (TN2) $395 (Summer High Performance Tires) <--- are these the all-season?

I dunno. I'm confused.
You know what I miss read it, they wrote it was on P zeros, well the Pirelli Zero Nero comes in all season or summer, so they didn't specify.
 

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What I mean is that they tested the GT500 and ran an 11.6. On the street, who the hell knows, one guy might be running DRs and the other is not. 6SPD vs. 6SPD from a roll, that will be close. From a dig, 6SPD vs. 6SPD, I'd put money on the GT500 all day. On a drag strip, I'd again put money on the GT500. The Hellcat will be HELL to drive. My point, the hype will/has backfired. Before any numbers have come in, most would have agreed that the Hellcat was the quickest, not anymore. I was hoping, something I should not have done, that the Hellcat would have done better in the MT test. 11.7 is nothing to write home about IMO. 11.2, definitely the quickest without any debate. That was a short honeymoon, lol. Just wait for the much lighter GT350 to race the Hellcat and win, oh well, I'd still hock my left kidney for one.
I see what you are saying. I don't think it backfired, real 1/4 mile testing isn't done on a street! I agree with you that 6 spd vs 6 spd I'd give an edge to the gt500, but I bet the A8 beats the gt500 most the time. Also they tested the GT500 in May so weather and DAs was probably much more favorable, and could easily make up a couple tenths. Go look at the number of owners actually running under that 11.6 on a track.... I've only seen 2 bone stock run faster times, I'm sure others have but consistency is nice. I don't think the gt350 will be faster at the strip, its suppose to be less powerful and the new GT already weighed in over 3800 lbs so I doubt it'll be lighter then The gt500. Now its time for a real head to head where variables are even, ohh and maybe on a real (the legal way!) drag strip.
 

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Just throwing this out there: The GT350, though aimed at knocking off the z28, could potentially be a 33-3400lb 550-600hp road course monster. AND have an auto option. Could be nasty on the strip as well. Back on topic here: the MT review was fair and not a let down in my eyes. Very impressive numbers on the street. You are going to see times very close to that 11.2 as well as numbers just a bit off. Too many variables.
I do agree it sounds like the gt350 well be around 550hp and beast track car, but if they go z28 style and have no amenities and features and to me that's a different consumer. Also if some how that car weighs 3400 or less wit all the coolers its going to need and beefed up drivetrain its going to be an 80k+ car. I don't see that kind of weight. Even the new Z06 is going to weight around 3600, but then again the gt500 is their flagship.
 

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Pirelli Pzero Nero all-seasons are standard, with Pirelli Pzero summer tires optional. And not all all-season tires are bad. My Michelin Pilot Sport AS3s are pretty damn good, all things considered.
All seasons aren't close to a good Summer tire though. Even summer tires sometimes aren't that great compared to competition street tires like the P Corsa zero or the newer Michelin sport cup tires. I looked at the P Zero Neros on tire rack and from what I see they really don't look as sticky as a lot of the Michelin tires. I have the Pilot sport PS2 on my CTS-V and they are ok but after adding power they just don't have a chance.
 

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Actually 3704 lbs for the manual and 3724 for the automatic. The GT350 is a track car, and there's no reason to believe it couldn't weight less than the GT, just as the Boss 302 did (albeit very slightly).
Maybe, but I doubt it. You start adding all these coolers with liquid, and beefing up the suspension I don think they'll be able to cancel out all that weight, UNLESS they do rear seat delete, thin glass and thin or no sound insulation, and go very light on electronic equipment, at that point though its really not competing with the Hellcat. Look at the Hellcat vs 392, its about 200 pounds or so heavier with all that necessary equipment. I don't doubt the gt350 well be very strong and a beast but I bet weight ends up around 3800 or so, which really by todays standards is pretty light. Still can't fit 4 normal sized adults but who cares if your driving right!!
 

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I agree, I'm just saying for an all season, the Michelin is pretty damn good. Each tire serves it's purpose, and all tires have a compromise somewhere. In no way did I mean that it would be as good as a summer tire for pure grip, and obviously nowhere near a competition tire. But I won't be pushing my car 100% all of the time, so a good all season will be enough for me initially, and maybe get a 2nd set of rims later with a stickier tire for when I want it.
I agree as well. All season tires definitely have a purpose and are great for some people. I don't drive my car and wouldn't be driving a Hellcat in conditions just good whether days or track use, so it'd be nice to have a competition street legal tire. What's still crazy to me is Edmunds.com says they ran an 11.4 and that would have been on the all season tires! Maybe they got first run in around like 9 AM and it was nice and cool out.
 
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