I see what you are saying. I don't think it backfired, real 1/4 mile testing isn't done on a street! I agree with you that 6 spd vs 6 spd I'd give an edge to the gt500, but I bet the A8 beats the gt500 most the time. Also they tested the GT500 in May so weather and DAs was probably much more favorable, and could easily make up a couple tenths. Go look at the number of owners actually running under that 11.6 on a track.... I've only seen 2 bone stock run faster times, I'm sure others have but consistency is nice. I don't think the gt350 will be faster at the strip, its suppose to be less powerful and the new GT already weighed in over 3800 lbs so I doubt it'll be lighter then The gt500. Now its time for a real head to head where variables are even, ohh and maybe on a real (the legal way!) drag strip.
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Just throwing this out there: The GT350, though aimed at knocking off the z28, could potentially be a 33-3400lb 550-600hp road course monster. AND have an auto option. Could be nasty on the strip as well. Back on topic here: the MT review was fair and not a let down in my eyes. Very impressive numbers on the street. You are going to see times very close to that 11.2 as well as numbers just a bit off. Too many variables.
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The HC has all season tires? I thought it only came with summer high performance tires? Yeah,...get rid of those all seasons quick!!! lol
Yeah,...those Goodyucks on the GT500 weren't much better, but at least they are a performance tire and not an all season tire.
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Really???
We are just getting started here.
How many GT500's have been run???......How many Hellcats??......Get my drift?
You jumping on this is a bit hilarious to me......very premature.....
I am going to say right now the Hellcat goes into the 10's...bone stock.....in great air with a damn good driver
....You wanna bet?
when you look at the specs of the GT500 and Hellcat, one can surmise they will be close in acceleration. I'd say the Hellcat would have an advantage if it's the A8; with the M6, the GT500 has a slight advantage.
That's just my opinion though.
But until they run both these cars head to head, making any firm conclusions using performance figures from runs made a year apart is kinda silly.
That's just my opinion though.
But until they run both these cars head to head, making any firm conclusions using performance figures from runs made a year apart is kinda silly.
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Pirelli Pzero Nero all-seasons are standard, with Pirelli Pzero summer tires optional. And not all all-season tires are bad. My Michelin Pilot Sport AS3s are pretty damn good, all things considered.
I do agree it sounds like the gt350 well be around 550hp and beast track car, but if they go z28 style and have no amenities and features and to me that's a different consumer. Also if some how that car weighs 3400 or less wit all the coolers its going to need and beefed up drivetrain its going to be an 80k+ car. I don't see that kind of weight. Even the new Z06 is going to weight around 3600, but then again the gt500 is their flagship.
All seasons aren't close to a good Summer tire though. Even summer tires sometimes aren't that great compared to competition street tires like the P Corsa zero or the newer Michelin sport cup tires. I looked at the P Zero Neros on tire rack and from what I see they really don't look as sticky as a lot of the Michelin tires. I have the Pilot sport PS2 on my CTS-V and they are ok but after adding power they just don't have a chance.
Actually 3704 lbs for the manual and 3724 for the automatic. The GT350 is a track car, and there's no reason to believe it couldn't weight less than the GT, just as the Boss 302 did (albeit very slightly).
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Maybe, but I doubt it. You start adding all these coolers with liquid, and beefing up the suspension I don think they'll be able to cancel out all that weight, UNLESS they do rear seat delete, thin glass and thin or no sound insulation, and go very light on electronic equipment, at that point though its really not competing with the Hellcat. Look at the Hellcat vs 392, its about 200 pounds or so heavier with all that necessary equipment. I don't doubt the gt350 well be very strong and a beast but I bet weight ends up around 3800 or so, which really by todays standards is pretty light. Still can't fit 4 normal sized adults but who cares if your driving right!!
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I agree, I'm just saying for an all season, the Michelin is pretty damn good. Each tire serves it's purpose, and all tires have a compromise somewhere. In no way did I mean that it would be as good as a summer tire for pure grip, and obviously nowhere near a competition tire. But I won't be pushing my car 100% all of the time, so a good all season will be enough for me initially, and maybe get a 2nd set of rims later with a stickier tire for when I want it.
I agree as well. All season tires definitely have a purpose and are great for some people. I don't drive my car and wouldn't be driving a Hellcat in conditions just good whether days or track use, so it'd be nice to have a competition street legal tire. What's still crazy to me is Edmunds.com says they ran an 11.4 and that would have been on the all season tires! Maybe they got first run in around like 9 AM and it was nice and cool out.
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LMFAO.... Statements like this are asinine... Please give me Roseanne Barr over Scarlett Johansson....
Ok, the HC is not Roseanne Barr, but give me a break.... Have you seen the F12 in person or heard the F12 in person? Statements like this discredit the author; don't worry they said the same about the Stingray as well and I wouldn't trade a F'ing AMC Pacer for POS GM product....
Don't worry tough get a HC and tell yourself it's better than an F12....it'll be just like the retelling of your first fling... she was hotter than all the other girls.... I swear....
Cheers!
P.S. My statements weren't directed at you Roody you just happened to state the MT authors asinine statements... All in good fun...
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I understand, and disagree, respectively of course.
I'll never be in the position where an F12 is a possible purchase, and even if I were, would probably not spend my money on one.
It doesn't matter that the Ferrari is better engineered, "higher quality," or designed by Italy's best, it simply doesn't "do it" for me.
To each their own, but for Jonny Lieberman to say he would prefer the Hellcat, that's not a discredit to his knowledge/ability/logic, it's a testament to how fun a vehicle like the Hellcat can be. It's not about how much money a car costs, but about much it makes you smile and much quickly your heart is racing when you're behind the wheel.
No, I haven't seen or heard an F12 in person, but even if I won the lottery I would never be able to drive one without worrying about things as minor as getting a nick in the paint. The Hellcat is still a Challenger, is still accessible to a lot of people, and is still a ridiculous, over-powered muscle car. So no, it might not be the better car, but it's capable of making even the most tenured automotive journalists believers...
I'll never be in the position where an F12 is a possible purchase, and even if I were, would probably not spend my money on one.
It doesn't matter that the Ferrari is better engineered, "higher quality," or designed by Italy's best, it simply doesn't "do it" for me.
To each their own, but for Jonny Lieberman to say he would prefer the Hellcat, that's not a discredit to his knowledge/ability/logic, it's a testament to how fun a vehicle like the Hellcat can be. It's not about how much money a car costs, but about much it makes you smile and much quickly your heart is racing when you're behind the wheel.
No, I haven't seen or heard an F12 in person, but even if I won the lottery I would never be able to drive one without worrying about things as minor as getting a nick in the paint. The Hellcat is still a Challenger, is still accessible to a lot of people, and is still a ridiculous, over-powered muscle car. So no, it might not be the better car, but it's capable of making even the most tenured automotive journalists believers...
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At least MT qualified their article. It ran 11.7 @ 125 on street tires, on an abandoned airport runway, starting in 2nd gear. Hardly representative of the true potential of the Hellcat. And comparisons to the GT500 run a year previous have zero credibility.
I'll concede this - in a street race from a dig neither the GT500 nor the Hellcat will show their true potential, and attempting to exploit same is dangerous and foolhardy.
From a roll on an empty highway, I think it will be very close.
On a drag strip with both cars wearing DRs or slicks - the A8 Hellcat beats the GT500 due to its massive gearing advantage in 1st and 2nd. M6 vs. M6 will be a driver's race - both of them are similarly geared.
I'll concede this - in a street race from a dig neither the GT500 nor the Hellcat will show their true potential, and attempting to exploit same is dangerous and foolhardy.
From a roll on an empty highway, I think it will be very close.
On a drag strip with both cars wearing DRs or slicks - the A8 Hellcat beats the GT500 due to its massive gearing advantage in 1st and 2nd. M6 vs. M6 will be a driver's race - both of them are similarly geared.
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All good and is why there are so many different designs. Though I would take a Scarlett I probably can't even get a Roseanne
I'm not a Ferrari fan boy either as theres only a couple I like; but the F12 is just pure sex and hits all the queues for an epic car. Looks, speed, sound, noise!
I just think when every-time statements are made like this they are over the top; it's like a Prius driver qualify their shitty car because it gets good gas milage!
The HC is a great car on its own and does not need to be qualified against an F12. It will never be one and it was never intended to be; I'm ok with that and agree with all your points outside the comparison.
The HC is the highest hp accessible car that will be on the market. That alone is epic!
But please don't tell me a fling with Roseanne is the same as Scarlett...
And I'll never be with a Scarlett, but god dammit I can dream can't I
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No worries, I'm in the same boat!The HC is the highest hp accessible car that will be on the market. That alone is epic!
But please don't tell me a fling with Roseanne is the same as Scarlett...
And I'll never be with a Scarlett, but god dammit I can dream can't I
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