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Old/new member returning. I signed up here back in 2008. Never got a Challenger, but I think this is it. Planning to order a 2016 PCP. Here are my questions. Thanks for your help.

1. Does anyone know when dealers will stop taking orders for PCP?

2. We are planning to get a V6. In the ordering process, I can select the options and packages I want, and don't want, correct? I can use the current Dodge website to build that car and it should give me a good idea on price, correct? I understand the website is for 2015 models.

3. Will the price be MSRP or discounted on ordered cars? Right now, I can get one (2015) off the lot at $2-3K discount before negotiations.

4. I totally understand the width of the car and the limited rear view. Many of you own the Challenger for years. Does the rear view and blind spots still bother you? Be honest please, I know you love the car.

5. We also have 3 kids and a minivan. Do you think a Charger will fit us better? In other words, for the members with kids, did you wish it was a 4 door instead of two?

6. We can afford one new car. Because both the wife and I now like the Challenger, we may get two. His and Hers. Would you recommend a lease? Let me ask the question another way. I would like to be that Old Guy with the cool classic car that I owned for 30 years. So if I lease, I do plan to buy it after the lease, if the car remains trouble free and it's a keeper. Is leasing with the intention of purchasing going to cost me more in the long run?

7. Any female members on this forum? Just wondering how you like your Challenger. Are you happy with it? Like driving it? Do you find it easy to park it? Do people try to race you? Please don't be offended by me asking this.

8. I guess some of you have upgraded from V6 to Hemi. How did that change your insurance cost? I know we all have different rates. Just want to know the difference.

9. RT comes with standard manual transmission. I've never driven a manual with that much power. Do you find it easy in tight situations? In traffic? It is pretty much like the manuals from VW, Toyota, Honda, etc, but on a larger car?

10. Anything else I didn't ask, but should know about ordering process or Challengers?

Much thank you..:thumbsup:
 

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1. Does anyone know when dealers will stop taking orders for PCP?

2. We are planning to get a V6. In the ordering process, I can select the options and packages I want, and don't want, correct? I can use the current Dodge website to build that car and it should give me a good idea on price, correct? I understand the website is for 2015 models.

3. Will the price be MSRP or discounted on ordered cars? Right now, I can get one (2015) off the lot at $2-3K discount before negotiations.

4. I totally understand the width of the car and the limited rear view. Many of you own the Challenger for years. Does the rear view and blind spots still bother you? Be honest please, I know you love the car.
Had my R/T for nearly 7 years now!! For me personally, the car does have a good sized blind spot that I have to be extra aware of when driving. Would it ever deter me from buying the car if I could go back in time??? Hell NO! The camaro has much worse visibility and I'm sure the mustang is at most equal to the challenger's visibility. It comes with the territory in these type of cars. I will admit on 2 occasions I've lost sight of full size pickups in my blind spot, but that was my fault in allowing myself to be distracted and not fully concentrated when driving the beast. Maybe some other members on here know the ultimate way to adjust mirrors in order to completely eliminate blind spots but for 7 years I always look up and twist my head to check my peripheral before changing lanes, just to be 100% sure i'm not gonna take out some crotch rocket.

5. We also have 3 kids and a minivan. Do you think a Charger will fit us better? In other words, for the members with kids, did you wish it was a 4 door instead of two?
I don't have kids, but I can guarantee you that the charger will be much more convenient that the challenger for installing car seats and loading up kids... that's a given. It is possible in the challenger tho, but it is purely a compromise and a personal decision you'd have to make. Me personally, if the challenger will only carry kids every now and then, I think I could accept that compromise.

6. We can afford one new car. Because both the wife and I now like the Challenger, we may get two. His and Hers. Would you recommend a lease? Let me ask the question another way. I would like to be that Old Guy with the cool classic car that I owned for 30 years. So if I lease, I do plan to buy it after the lease, if the car remains trouble free and it's a keeper. Is leasing with the intention of purchasing going to cost me more in the long run?
That's an absolute YES. Leasing with intent to purchase after the terms of said lease will almost always cost you more. If someone has a miracle story where it worked out in their benefit then I'd be pretty surprised. My fiance just got hosed on leasing her toyota camry and then deciding to just keep it instead of looking for another vehicle. I plan on keeping my r/t for another 7+ years and I'm sure you'll fall in love to with yours and choose to do the same. Make the right decision the first time and finance it from the get go.

7. Any female members on this forum? Just wondering how you like your Challenger. Are you happy with it? Like driving it? Do you find it easy to park it? Do people try to race you? Please don't be offended by me asking this.

8. I guess some of you have upgraded from V6 to Hemi. How did that change your insurance cost? I know we all have different rates. Just want to know the difference.

9. RT comes with standard manual transmission. I've never driven a manual with that much power. Do you find it easy in tight situations? In traffic? It is pretty much like the manuals from VW, Toyota, Honda, etc, but on a larger car?
My car before the challenger was a 5-speed manual mazda protege... maybe 130 hp tops. I adjusted just fine after a few weeks. I never drove a v8 before this besides a chevy tahoe, much less a manual v8 muscle car. It was very very very intimidating at just the thought of stepping up to triple the hp I was used to. Surprisingly the hemi's can be very tame and subtle if you want them to be. Just had to learn a new level of respect for a vehicle such as this. Have fun, do burnouts... but be smart and responsible with it in the right environments and you'll stay off of youtube for wrapping your challenger around a tree trying to show off :)

10. Anything else I didn't ask, but should know about ordering process or Challengers?
Just order it! No car is perfect but I can promise you that the Challenger gives back waaaay more than the few sacrifices you have to make owing one. Plus its a car that already looks 45 years old... so it should be a cool looking car for at least another 45 years right??? :wink3:
 

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OJ Sakuma, see responses to some of these in red below:


Old/new member returning. I signed up here back in 2008. Never got a Challenger, but I think this is it. Planning to order a 2016 PCP. Here are my questions. Thanks for your help.

1. Does anyone know when dealers will stop taking orders for PCP?

2. We are planning to get a V6. In the ordering process, I can select the options and packages I want, and don't want, correct? I can use the current Dodge website to build that car and it should give me a good idea on price, correct? I understand the website is for 2015 models.
I recommend using a third party website to get an idea of what price to pay. I used TrueCar.com and found that in March/April of this year the R/T Plus that I wanted to order was between $1000 to $1200 below invoice (here in the Mpls/St Paul area). I brought a TrueCar.com certificate from the lowest price dealer over to a one-price dealership near my home and asked if they could match it, and they came within $250. But yes, the Dodge site is very useful for estimating the total costs, and the process of ordering works pretty similar at the dealership to how their website works.

3. Will the price be MSRP or discounted on ordered cars? Right now, I can get one (2015) off the lot at $2-3K discount before negotiations.
2015 models probably cannot be ordered right now, so those discounts on the 2015 cars on the lot probably won't be matched for a custom order. But again, use he various online resources to understand the going rates in your area.

4. I totally understand the width of the car and the limited rear view. Many of you own the Challenger for years. Does the rear view and blind spots still bother you? Be honest please, I know you love the car.
I have the option (not sure which one) that added blind spot detection, and I have always kept it turned on. When a car is in the blind spot on either side, a light comes on in the side view mirror to alert me. If I switch on my turn signal (when the light is on) the stereo volume will drop momentarily while the system beeps at me to warn of the car in the blind spot. And the rear-view camera really helps when in revers. I don't perceive my car to have a blind spot problem.

5. We also have 3 kids and a minivan. Do you think a Charger will fit us better? In other words, for the members with kids, did you wish it was a 4 door instead of two?
As the kids get bigger it could be an issue, and forget about wrestling a car seat into the back. Booster seat, maybe. My budget director was PO'd that I went for the two door, but she is getting over it. Slowly. But my kids are grown up, and if we need to bring a carful, we just take our SUV.

6. We can afford one new car. Because both the wife and I now like the Challenger, we may get two. His and Hers. Would you recommend a lease? Let me ask the question another way. I would like to be that Old Guy with the cool classic car that I owned for 30 years. So if I lease, I do plan to buy it after the lease, if the car remains trouble free and it's a keeper. Is leasing with the intention of purchasing going to cost me more in the long run?
Can't help you with lease questions. We tend to purchase and drive for 10+ years.

7. Any female members on this forum? Just wondering how you like your Challenger. Are you happy with it? Like driving it? Do you find it easy to park it? Do people try to race you? Please don't be offended by me asking this.
There are several females on the form, hope they can answer you. It appears they love their Challengers!

8. I guess some of you have upgraded from V6 to Hemi. How did that change your insurance cost? I know we all have different rates. Just want to know the difference.
My Budget Director handles all that stuff.

9. RT comes with standard manual transmission. I've never driven a manual with that much power. Do you find it easy in tight situations? In traffic? It is pretty much like the manuals from VW, Toyota, Honda, etc, but on a larger car?
I purchased the automatic because I HATE a manual transmission in heavy traffic. My budget director's car is a Subaru Outback with 6 speed manual, and it bites driving that in traffic. I was once caught in Saturday morning traffic on I70 traffic West out of Denver at the height of ski season, and with an accident near the Loveland Pass. By the time the traffic cleared, I and all the other manual transmission owners had smoking hot clutches. I was surprised that I made it without burning it out.

10. Anything else I didn't ask, but should know about ordering process or Challengers?
Every time I drive Ginger, I find myself smiling ear to ear.
 

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RS has posted Plum Crazy orders must be in by end of December. I assume that PCP will then go away to make room for Go Mango.


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Hey

So they are really going to build V6 in PCP....in all the past years they never did that...so I am surprised if they do...
 

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4. I totally understand the width of the car and the limited rear view. Many of you own the Challenger for years. Does the rear view and blind spots still bother you? Be honest please, I know you love the car.
I've had my challenger for about a year now and i have no issues with the blind spots. If you setup your mirrors CORRECTLY you will never have an issue while driving.(hint: most people dont know how to setup their mirrors correctly, if you can see the side of your car, your mirrors are setup incorrectly.) Having a 2009, i dont have a backup camera and thats about the only thing that takes some getting used to is backing up into a spot. You have to know the car very well to be able to back into a spot or parallel park, but once you do it a few times, it becomes pretty second nature.

6. We can afford one new car. Because both the wife and I now like the Challenger, we may get two. His and Hers. Would you recommend a lease? Let me ask the question another way. I would like to be that Old Guy with the cool classic car that I owned for 30 years. So if I lease, I do plan to buy it after the lease, if the car remains trouble free and it's a keeper. Is leasing with the intention of purchasing going to cost me more in the long run?
Absolutely will cost you more to lease the cars. Leases are basically a long term rental. If you decide to buy at the end of the lease, you are basically buying the same car twice. There are a few exceptions that can make leasing make sense, but it always involves it being a work vehicle that can be written off on taxes in specific cases.
People use leasing to get more car than they can actually afford. The way it works is you lease a car, you're paying tax on the car, interest, and the depreciation. At the end of the lease after you've paid for all those things, you either give the car back and have nothing to show for your thousands of dollars, or you buy out the lease, which is paying the residual value which is basically the bluebook retail value of the car as a used car. If you're going to keep the car for 3 years and replace it, and keep in that cycle, leasing can make sense, but if you plan to keep the car long term, don't lease. Ever.

9. RT comes with standard manual transmission. I've never driven a manual with that much power. Do you find it easy in tight situations? In traffic? It is pretty much like the manuals from VW, Toyota, Honda, etc, but on a larger car?
A manual in a car with more power, is usually just easier to drive than an econobox. All that torque makes getting moving in 1st gear a piece of cake. If you know how to drive a manual already, having more power and torque just makes things easier in all situations more often than not.


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I talked to my friend at the dealership. He said only V8s could be ordered in Plum Crazy. Im not saying that is fact, but thats what I have heard. You may get something different when you sit down to place your order.

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I'm just looking at the 2016 Press Kit released by FCA a few weeks ago and their info has been proven wrong before. It shows B5 Blue, Ivory and PCP all the same...no base SXT and think that indeed was the case for B5 and Ivory. I'm guessing it's right this time.
 

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So I moved forward with the process this weekend. Seems like all the managers on duty does not know what I'm talking about - ordering a PCP SXT Plus. One even told me that the system won't let them order it. So they took down what I want to order. Just to let you know how lack of knowledge they are. I mentioned I want to include the Driver Convenience Group Package, and they thought I was speaking a foreign language.

So today, I'm suppose to meet with the real guy. They will call me to let me know if it's possible (to order a PCP SXT Plus).

My questions are:

1. There should not be a "premium" added to ordering correct? These types of ordering is not "special" order correct? Bottom line is, It shouldn't cost me any more above MSRP.

2. The manager already told me "no discount." Can I negotiate?

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No premium for ordering, tell them you want it for at least their invoice price, preferably 1 or more percent under his invoice price. Even at this price he is making money because FCA gives him 3% of the MSRP after the sale, so don't let him tell you he is losing money. If they won't deal, go somewhere else. Can also try Truecar or join the Tread Lightly Program and get deals on ordered cars. Don't get pushed around, know your information and go on there and tell them what you want.


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YES!!!!! you can negotiate!!!!!

Any dealer in the US can place an order for that car.

You should not pay over invoice for it. There is no "premium" for ordering it, its not special.

From what I understand, only "sold to a customer" orders for PCP are the only way you can order a PCP car now. In October dealers can order a PCP car.

Start calling dealers with in a 2hr radius, tell them all you are going to order a car, and what price will they sell it. Go with what ever dealer gives you the lowest price.

Dealers love it when people order cars. They dont have to pay insurance on that car sitting on the lot, it doesn't take up space, its a guaranteed sell.

DO NOT PAY MSRP FOR A CAR YOU ORDER!!! (unless its a high demand car like a hellcat)

Good luck :)
 

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FYI, there is definitely a good sized blind spot - especially if the passenger seat is back far enough so the headrest blocks the small passenger rear window (and, most likely, this will always be the case).

At least on the 2015's, the blind spot detection was a part of the "Drivers Convenience Group" optional package - and at only $495, it's an inexpensive and valuable option (that also includes remote starting). Not only do you get a light that shows on your right-side rearview mirror when there's something in your blind spot, but as long as you use your signal to change lanes, you can set the car to give you an audible beep that lets you know that there's something there, before you move.

Also, get the backup camera, especially if you see yourself parallel parking often.
 

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1. Does anyone know when dealers will stop taking orders for PCP? Dont know

2. We are planning to get a V6. In the ordering process, I can select the options and packages I want, and don't want, correct? I can use the current Dodge website to build that car and it should give me a good idea on price, correct? I understand the website is for 2015 models. Yes, you should be able to use the dodge page to select packages and what not. the dodge website is probably best in terms of listing the correct packages and what comes with what. In terms of pricing the dodge page will really list MSRP and possible any incentives. Just be sure to look, ask, for all incentives. When looking at pricing, I think its best to break it down. I like to look at incentives and and actually pricing separately. As they both are the same negotiation, they both are kind of separate. As far as pricing, never pay above invoice on a car never, actually paying -1 or -2% under invoice is a fair deal. So lock in incentives, than get invoicing minus.

3. Will the price be MSRP or discounted on ordered cars? Right now, I can get one (2015) off the lot at $2-3K discount before negotiations. I ordered my car in April and negotiated 2000 or so off invoice, plus incentives. Lot cars can have bigger discounts as they have more or bigger factory rebates, or the dealer is willing to get rid of inventory to make room for new cars.

4. I totally understand the width of the car and the limited rear view. Many of you own the Challenger for years. Does the rear view and blind spots still bother you? Be honest please, I know you love the car. Definite blind spot in the car, is it terrible, IDK. Ive learned to deal with it. but it is there.

5. We also have 3 kids and a minivan. Do you think a Charger will fit us better? In other words, for the members with kids, did you wish it was a 4 door instead of two? I have one kid and the car seat is a pain. A two door as family car, ehhh I would think twice about it. Id opt for a charger. My challenger is a third car, and wouldnt make a regular habit of rolling around with 5 people in it. I know a lot of brand homers might and hem and ha at this, but end of the day thats why you dont see two door anything anymore, simple fact is they are not as convenient.

6. We can afford one new car. Because both the wife and I now like the Challenger, we may get two. His and Hers. Would you recommend a lease? Let me ask the question another way. I would like to be that Old Guy with the cool classic car that I owned for 30 years. So if I lease, I do plan to buy it after the lease, if the car remains trouble free and it's a keeper. Is leasing with the intention of purchasing going to cost me more in the long run?

A lot of back and forth on leasing. Depends on how you view it. Do you want a new car every few years and never mess with payments, lease might be nice. Leasing to buy isnt a bad option if the numbers work, youll probably end up paying a little more. But it may be a way to spread it out so you can afford. I lease my truck it cost me X dollars a month. Buddy gave chit for it, so I laid it out for him. Assuming a 45k a truck. I can lease a 45k truck all day for 500 or less a month, but lets say 500. Over a year thats 6 grand, over ten years thats 60 grand. 60 grand an no maint beyond annual maint. Now my buddy buys that 45k truck, lets say he puts 10% down and borrows 40k. His monthly payment for 6 years is 590 a month. Over six years he garners 2500 in interest with a 1.99% rate. So he now has 47-48k in that one truck over 6 years. He also has three years where he has to pay maint, probably has thrown new tires on the truck, brake job by then, so hes at min @50k in that one truck for 6 years. Now at 6 years he has it paid off, but has a decision is he going to maintain it for another 3-4 years on a vehicle that already has close to 100k on it? Or does he go out and buy another truck @45k, if he gets lucky both times with both trucks, minus scheduled maint and reg, hes got 100k into two trucks over 12 years. Where as if I lease i would have roughly 80k into 4 trucks over 12 years. I save 20k, enjoy a new truck all the time with better amenities, better mpg and sometimes cheaper insurance. But you have to think about miles with a lease and its not yours, come on hard times you can sell something you own or when its paid off you have something paid off, thats a positive.

The issue with new car buying is the cost of them these days, doesnt really make for one answer anymore. If you run numbers and balance against what you need and can afford, it might make you think different. Problem with buying is a 40k vehicle is a lot of money. Nobody has thousands and thousands to put down anymore. So now if you buy something your stuck with a high payment for 6-7 years, and when your done your left with something worth 10-15k. I thought about leasing the challenger, but ended up buying as I had 4k down and got almost 4k off and plan on keeping it a long time.



9. RT comes with standard manual transmission. I've never driven a manual with that much power. Do you find it easy in tight situations? In traffic? It is pretty much like the manuals from VW, Toyota, Honda, etc, but on a larger car? Ive been driving a standard transmission off and on for 16 years, and its second nature. I have no issue with it. bumper to bumper traffic it can annoying and laboring at times. I think power is irrelevant really in making the car harder to control with a standard. Every day family car, I might opt for an auto.
 

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Got my order in. 2016 PCP SXT +.

The sales guy (manager) was great. He offer a discount, but I kind of "gave it back" to him with the paint and interior "protection package", lifetime maintenance (oil change & tire rotation), and tint. I normally don't want stuff like that but he was a good guy, it's an order, and not inventory off the lot. Everyone is happy so all is good. I'm happy too....

Thanks guys...
 

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Got my order in. 2016 PCP SXT +.

The sales guy (manager) was great. He offer a discount, but I kind of "gave it back" to him with the paint and interior "protection package", lifetime maintenance (oil change & tire rotation), and tint. I normally don't want stuff like that but he was a good guy, it's an order, and not inventory off the lot. Everyone is happy so all is good. I'm happy too....

Thanks guys...
Congrats and be sure to post some pics once you take it home:thumbsup:
 
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