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Be aware that Seattle just passed a new noise ordinance that will technically make every stock Challenger illegal (as well as all cars really). If you live in or have to drive into Seattle city limits, be aware.

The Seattle Police Dept has been sharing on social media, "If we can hear your vehicle from 75ft away, you could be subject to a $136 fine".

 

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Ah, Seattle. Trying their best to be the looniest town on the left cost. This from the same city who raised the minimum wage to $15.00 and can't understand why all the jobs went away, tried to tax the daylights out of Amazon (the only reason the town is still there), and banned plastic straws, resulting in Starbucks creating a sippy-lid that has more plastic than the old lid and straw combined. The combined brain power of whoever is running that poor city into the ground is just a little short of that of a banana slug.

If you ever get tired of Seattle, come to Pittsburgh. Where you're free to drink Iron City beer with a giant plastic straw, eat piles and piles of dead animal flesh heaped on a sandwich with french-fries and cole-slaw (Primanti Brother's) and root for a football team that's won 6 Superbowl. Oh yeah, we have a hockey team too....maybe you've heard of Sid Crosby, Evgeni Malkin and the Pittsburgh Penguins. Amazing that Seattle is so close to Canada, but lacks all their charm.
 

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Keep those exhaust valves in good working condition lol. Have to keep those Prius drivers happy. Around here, most motorcycles put our cars to shame in terms of noise. I suspect they'll be the most nervous.
 

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That will go for about 2 weeks. Then when the courts are backlogged with people fighting such an absurd rule, it will die off.
 

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Ah, Seattle. Trying their best to be the looniest town on the left cost. This from the same city who raised the minimum wage to $15.00 and can't understand why all the jobs went away, tried to tax the daylights out of Amazon (the only reason the town is still there),
Amazon isn't the king of good corporate neighbors either, nor are they friendly to small businesses. Amazon, as the 600 lb gorilla can kill restaurants and other small businesses simply by owning (as it does) a bunch of real estate in a market and requiring its retail tenants to keep hours conducive to Amazon workers, even if few of those workers actually patronize the retailers.
 

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Amazon isn't the king of good corporate neighbors either, nor are they friendly to small businesses. Amazon, as the 600 lb gorilla can kill restaurants and other small businesses simply by owning (as it does) a bunch of real estate in a market and requiring its retail tenants to keep hours conducive to Amazon workers, even if few of those workers actually patronize the retailers.
Amazon-bashing is an official sport in Seattle. I think most of it is envy-based. Most of the workers come from out-of-state and are instantly richer than many of the locals, especially the hippy-dippy, Socialist crowd in the Fremont and Capitol Hill neighborhoods. Tech workers make easy targets, because they're not exactly longshoremen and are generally not interested in politics. Many are foreigners and are just thankful to have a good job and the opportunity to work at one of the most innovative companies in the world.

Amazon is great for the area and pumps a huge amount of dollars into the local economy that otherwise wouldn't be here. Some people will always be dissatisfied though and suspicious of any corporate entity. Not much that can be done there. They'll keep plucking the feathers from the goose that lays the golden eggs until they've driven it to greener pastures.
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If you have OEM, non-modified exhaust their city law can’t override federal law. The exhaust is legal as mandated under federal law, in all states. Cities and states can’t pass laws that are stricter than an existing federal law.
 

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Hey, if you guys don't want Amazon there in Seattle, we'll take them here in Pittsburgh. The lame-brains in Allegheny County and Pittsburgh city government are doing a pretty good job of mucking up our chances for HQ2, but we're still in the running.

Go Steelers!
 

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If you have OEM, non-modified exhaust their city law can’t override federal law. The exhaust is legal as mandated under federal law, in all states. Cities and states can’t pass laws that are stricter than an existing federal law.
You would think that is true, but there are all kinds of city ordinances that override the Federal law called the Second Amendment to the Constitution. These cities also declare themselves "sanctuaries" and ignore Federal immigration laws. There's a lapse between the time the cities overstep their authority, and when the lawsuits make it far enough up the chain, during which time the local law, is the law, and the noise makers will be cited and fined.
 

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You would think that is true, but there are all kinds of city ordinances that override the Federal law called the Second Amendment to the Constitution. These cities also declare themselves "sanctuaries" and ignore Federal immigration laws. There's a lapse between the time the cities overstep their authority, and when the lawsuits make it far enough up the chain, during which time the local law, is the law, and the noise makers will be cited and fined.
Yeah, red tape and other snafus can create a garbled mess. I would have fun going to court if I got charged under that stupid ordinance. But that's only because I have a whole lot of court experience in traffic laws. The average car driving citizen would have a problem dealing with it in court. The thing is that, depending on the amount of fine and other factors, it may be a complete waste of time to go to court to contest it. May be better off to just pay it and forget it. The other thing is that most traffic cops wouldn't write the violation unless the exhaust "noise" was much louder than stock systems.

Personally, I'd contest it as hard as I could if my exhaust system was factory.
 

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Being a Seattle native, I continue to cringe and wonder how these socialist commie idiots keep coming up with this kind of crap. All of these things like straw bans, minimum wage hikes, sugary drink taxes, the “Amazon” tax, ammo taxes, etc., etc. It’s pure insanity, that pretty much nobody outside the city limits agrees with, yet being the largest city tends to dictate how the area and even state is run.

Make no mistake either, this ordinance is nothing more than a thinly veiled tax, for an area that is already one of the most taxed places in the US. Probably dreamt up as a way to generate revenue for the mass transit system these morons are so in love with, but so ineffective as to be useless for just about anyone outside the city.

They’ve been using our own cars to beat taxes out of us for years (I-405 tolls are rediculous, $10 just to use what used to be the HOV lane some days), and funneling money that should be for roads instead into mass transit that doesn’t help anyone living outside city limits. There is literally no way to get to my office daily using this hippy day dream system unless I want to take 4 extra hours out of my day to ride countless buses, all hoping the stars align and everything is on time.

It’s high time people figure a way to run all these morons out of town to peddle their crap back in Cali where all this nonsense seems to originate (sorry California!).
 

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I may just have to "visit" Seattle to grab a few tickets and head back home. Keep the nerds busy for a day with me and my OEM stock exhaust.


These fools have way more real problems to deal with, but they're just too full of themselves to actually do anything.


On a different note, I finally got stopped by a State LEO here outside my little town last month. I ran into a LEO with a real attitude. OK, didn't have my required front plate on. (It's been over two years without it and no issues). So, he started on that, then my legal tinted windows, and also thought that the car sounded a little too loud too.


I told him sorry about the plate, it's a quick change and in the trunk, and I can put it on right now. Also told him that I bought the car new, with the windows tinted from the dealer stating that it meets tints laws in the State. Guess he didn't like that and started on the "noise". Again, I politely told him that the car is bone stock from the factory, meeting all Federal requirements.


He went to his car for about 5 minutes, and came back with my license. "I'll just give you a verbal warning about the plate needing to be on, and lighten those windows up."


OK and thanks, and we parted ways. Guess he was having a bad day, or just a hater in general. Worst attitude that I've had to deal with from a State LEO.


Maybe he would fit in with the Seattle crowd! lol
 

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If you have OEM, non-modified exhaust their city law can’t override federal law. The exhaust is legal as mandated under federal law, in all states. Cities and states can’t pass laws that are stricter than an existing federal law.

This right here!!! You cant give me a ticket for a stock exhaust plain and simple. Also, to one up that, I live in a part of Washington where there is NO emissions, so where I live my modified exhaust is perfectly okay. Seattle can suck it. There is a reason why over half the state would annex king county to its own state if given a chance. Most Pierce county residents HATE king county. While, im on one... Why would anyone want to visit a city that gives safe places for heroin users to do their drugs, but want to ban firearms in places they shouldn't be banned? I avoid Seattle as much as possible and Ive been a resident of the PNW for over 34 years.
 

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I may just have to "visit" Seattle to grab a few tickets and head back home. Keep the nerds busy for a day with me and my OEM stock exhaust.


These fools have way more real problems to deal with, but they're just too full of themselves to actually do anything.


On a different note, I finally got stopped by a State LEO here outside my little town last month. I ran into a LEO with a real attitude. OK, didn't have my required front plate on. (It's been over two years without it and no issues). So, he started on that, then my legal tinted windows, and also thought that the car sounded a little too loud too.


I told him sorry about the plate, it's a quick change and in the trunk, and I can put it on right now. Also told him that I bought the car new, with the windows tinted from the dealer stating that it meets tints laws in the State. Guess he didn't like that and started on the "noise". Again, I politely told him that the car is bone stock from the factory, meeting all Federal requirements.


He went to his car for about 5 minutes, and came back with my license. "I'll just give you a verbal warning about the plate needing to be on, and lighten those windows up."


OK and thanks, and we parted ways. Guess he was having a bad day, or just a hater in general. Worst attitude that I've had to deal with from a State LEO.


Maybe he would fit in with the Seattle crowd! lol

Check out the wording for your states license plates requirements. Washington state says the front plate has to be fastened somewhere to the front of the car in between 0 and 4ft high. Your passenger side visor is considered the front of the car and under 4ft high. Already fought that once when I was young punk kid and won without an attorneys help.

Cops are bullshit 9 out of 10 times. They think they can write you up for what THEY THINK the law is, its absolutely crazy. Company I worked for invited state patrol to our shop to go through our rigs and let us know what is illegal and what isn't so we can fix it. One state patrol says "the only knot legal to use for a tie down on a commercial vehicle is a slip knot. However, I don't know the difference between a slip knot and other knots so if I pull you over im going to give you a ticket just to err on the side of caution." WHAT?!?! how is that even okay?? cops...smh...
 

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Being a Seattle native, I continue to cringe and wonder how these socialist commie idiots keep coming up with this kind of crap. All of these things like straw bans, minimum wage hikes, sugary drink taxes, the “Amazon” tax, ammo taxes, etc., etc. It’s pure insanity, that pretty much nobody outside the city limits agrees with, yet being the largest city tends to dictate how the area and even state is run.

Make no mistake either, this ordinance is nothing more than a thinly veiled tax, for an area that is already one of the most taxed places in the US. Probably dreamt up as a way to generate revenue for the mass transit system these morons are so in love with, but so ineffective as to be useless for just about anyone outside the city.

They’ve been using our own cars to beat taxes out of us for years (I-405 tolls are rediculous, $10 just to use what used to be the HOV lane some days), and funneling money that should be for roads instead into mass transit that doesn’t help anyone living outside city limits. There is literally no way to get to my office daily using this hippy day dream system unless I want to take 4 extra hours out of my day to ride countless buses, all hoping the stars align and everything is on time.

It’s high time people figure a way to run all these morons out of town to peddle their crap back in Cali where all this nonsense seems to originate (sorry California!).
This is VERY interesting to know; I've been asked to come back to Seattle recently (in TX now) and it's things like this that would be a huge problem for me. I'd be driving into the city each and every day; those fines could really stack up while I try to argue in favor of my factor exhaust (which it isn't right now).

Comment aside, is the Bay Area really this bad in CA for cars like ours too? I know registration is completely insane in CA... but should I expect it to be a hassle to even own my SP?
 

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Ah, Seattle. Trying their best to be the looniest town on the left cost. This from the same city who raised the minimum wage to $15.00 and can't understand why all the jobs went away, tried to tax the daylights out of Amazon (the only reason the town is still there), and banned plastic straws, resulting in Starbucks creating a sippy-lid that has more plastic than the old lid and straw combined. The combined brain power of whoever is running that poor city into the ground is just a little short of that of a banana slug.
While Seattle has some issues, the new ordinance enforcement being of them, you posted misinformation which simply isn't accurate. :indifferent:
 

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So a cop in a charger pulls over a stock charger and writes him up for being to loud ,Ummmm

U NAILED it !!!



Here the Diesel truck are INSANE loud and nobody cares...………….car owners get the tickets here.
 
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