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Quick update and then the real story.
They're replacing the bushings and shocks (3 to 5 days).
Shocks apparently got bent slightly in the carnage.
But they said everything else looked ok. I'll go have a look when they
get it back on the lift for assembly. Of coarse they looked it over to
make sure it hadn't been hit by something, they have no idea why it
failed and apparently noone else has had this issue.

As for this car's history. We bought it new mid year 2010. It has
a little over 11K. Never recked/repaired.
It's actually my wife's ride and she babies the
hell out of it. I don't get to crazy when I'm in it. I've probably rolled
the tires over twice on take off. I do love to scratch 2nd, 3rd and
4th when I have the room and don't mind getting hit when she's with me.
I wheel hop'd it once going to 2nd but
very brief, I lifted and re-engaged.
Given the driving style, I won't upgrade any of the
components at this point but I'll deffinetly be keeping an eye on it.

I'll re-post after I get to see it on the lift.

In reply to Furious' post.
Here's what really happened.

Wife and kids where off to six flags today soooooo.......there
I was. Pack of Marbs rolled up in my sleeve. Reds not lights, coarse
you can't call'm lights anymore.
anyways.
Candy in the right seat. I know, I know, but that's what name
she gave me. We'd met a few minutes earlier in what, I would immediately
find out, was a heavily surveillanced area of town.
anyways
I'm running 70 down a pothole infested back alley with two Johnny laws on my ass.
Buildings to the right, a drainage ditch to the left, I grab second
and power slide from behind a Crazy Carls adult novelty and sandwich
shop (you know the one). I'd mis-judged the turn slightly causing
the left rear to glance off a small retaining wall bordering the ditch.
Candy was flying all over the car.
I compensated with more throttle and as the tac hit twelve and a half
it was a smooth transition onto a narrow two lane only to be met by
red lights and railroad cross bars in the down position.
That's not a big deal I thought, been there done that. But as the
tire smoke cleared a bit, a glob of pink grabs my eye. A group of
"walk for the cure" folks consume the right lane. But again, it's
just another day at the office.
A little extra correction, ease the throttle a touch and increase
the arc. We settle into the left lane and dohh!!
Yea, you guessed it. A bus load of school kids sitting in my preferred
path of travel. Eye balls as big as dinner plates, jaws hanging
inches from the gum incrusted floor board of a 1997 Blue Bird.
They looked amazed as the machine and the man within, seemed, just
for a moment, to merge into one, one living organism, one
purple (PLUM) living organism of determination and focus.
My only chance was to veer farther left, off road? Plum has gotten
me out of more than one pickle, but I'd never asked her to go
off road.
Speed was my ally, but before my brain could finish
the decision, left foot, and right hand, thinking on their own,
had coordinated to put the pistol grip into the three hole. On the
other hand (or foot), possibly out of complete terror, or shear
boredom, right foot remained mashed against the floor board as if
made of lead.
Over the curb, and across a short patch of blue bonnet's before
rattling across the exposed tracks and down a slight embankment
on the other side. The 4:15 out of Pamosa missing us by mere
inches.
Back to second with a slight fishtail and onto a smooth gravel road.
I could hear an awful groan coming from behind and when I looked
back I could tell she was done. Rearend drooping, fluids oozing
from every oriface, nails broken. Yep, Candy was finished.
Ol' Plum on the other hand was solid as a rock, purring like a
kitten. She'd pulled me out of another close call but what
happened next might have caused her to break.
errr,
I've probably said a little to much already so I'd better keep
the rest to myself as not to upset my better half.
YOU ARE A NUTTTT !! Should be a short story writer.
 

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I just ordered a Hop Not total kit for my 6 speed. Your pics spooked me!!!
 

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That's a wild failure right there. Folks running 700RWHP at the drag strip on slicks aren't having failures so that's pretty spooky.

One bushing failing I can see being a defect, both seems like something else occurred.
 

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Speedy!, I agree with you on the drag race thing. There's tons of threads
on here realating to that. On Saturday when I started researching, I
fully expected to find some similar failures but I haven't found one.

As far as severe wheel hop. We bought this car with 27 miles on it.
If severe wheel hop occurred, it occurred in those 27 miles. Not saying
that couldn't have happened.....just saying. It's got a little over 11K
on it now.

This will give you an idea of how mundane this car's life is. My wife
fessed up to the only thing she could think of that my have contributed.
and I quote "There's a really bad dip that I go through coming out of
the parking lot, but I go really slow through it and I it doesn't scrape."
Car abuse? I think not :)

The only thing I can think of with the dual failure is that one failed
earlier and we didn't notice. My original post referenced a mild groam
from the left rear (thought it was the low tire) while doing 60+ down the
highway a few minutes earlier.
I'm thinking one had already failed at this point, probably
sagging a little bit and causing some camber issues.
The added stress had probably been working on the opposite side which
finally failed when I released the clutch at the stop light causing the
large bang when the rearend settled.
Purely guessing at this point.

Thanks for the replies, comments, conjecture...etc
It's all appreciated.
 

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Well, the rear cradle bushings are known for being somewhat problematic, just not to the extent yours failed.

There's a member on here named Valley who worked with the SRT Engineers on his trying to solve the wheel hop issue. They found problems with several of his cradle bushings, but I can't remember which ones. If you search the forum for his posts he even had video from the undercarriage and some during wheel hop that was down right scary.
 

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I will never understand why Dodge would emphasize so much on the HEMI performance brand but short changed the entire rear end design on these cars (especially the 6spds). Between the hop and the rear end whine (caused by the hop) I'm not gonna' BS you guys and tell ya's that a little buyers remorse hasn't crept into my mind. Yes I know there's "Hop Not" for the wheel hop but I'm waiting to see if Dodge has an answer for the whining pumpkin. They probably have the same answer for the rear end whine as they have for the alleged power hop (none). Don't get me wrong I love my car but I would really love it more If I know that I could side step the clutch @ 4k without losing the silver fillings in my teeth. Yes I would drive my SRT that hard if I knew it weren't so fragile. I'm supposed to enjoy this car (not the Smithsonian or my kids). If these beast were offered with a solid axle option I'd put down a deposit yesterday. I wish allaman luck on the repairs to his baby. Hopefully the service department assigned their best tech on the job. Keep us posted on the progress.

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^^^^^^^^^^^I was on a con call with the Engineers along with Valley who I mentioned earlier. We brought all this up. They said the rear end was a compromise and that there were ways to make it more "firm" but the vehicle NVH (noise vibration harshness went up exponentially. It sounded from their discussion with us that they did try hard to make it the best they could and they really took offense when I asked if cost had any bearing. One of the suspension engineers literally told me if they'd have a wheel barrow full of cash to throw at the problem it wouldn't have helped.

This is from memory, but I think they even tried solid mounts and the NVH was so bad it caused issues with the bumper mounts just as one example.

I told them I found a solution to my wheel hop.....I added 200RWHP. I've not had any since.
 

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Speedy,

I've followed the chronicles of Valley and his inquiries with the Chrysler Engineers about the wheel hop issues. I applaud his efforts despite not getting the results we were all hoping for. And now I believe he's somewhat blacklisted on Chrysler's database from any needed future repairs pertaining to his rear end assembly for being our Norma Rae. Mike D. has been able to go one step beyond the engineers in producing Hop Not. I've witness the kit in action as a passenger of an SRT 6spd with the Hop Not upgrade and results were amazing. I guess we'll have to wait & see if performance shop is willing to break open a rear to analyze the contents of its design. Perhaps a rebuild kit with upgraded components and the proper settings & backlash will cure the whine. You too (Speedy) are one of the Oracle's of knowledge on this great site and I appreciate your insights and information that you provide for all of us to share (Did I just kiss your arse?). Thanks for listening.

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I'm learning about these cars just like everybody else. I just like to dive deep in to hobbies.

Valley got tired of the banter on the forums and doesn't come on much anymore. He and I correspond via e-mail every once in a while and I'd not heard anything about him being black listed. What happened there?
 

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allaman,

Again, glad this happened at low speed.

Oh yeah, thanks for fessin' up, lol

I think the first chance I get, I'm crawlin under to investagate mine.
(really hoping this was a factory fluke, or as you stated, a real HARD first 27mi.)
(visions of Ferrus Buller's day off)
 

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wow!
same here....never seen stuff like that before.

you have 3 choises. keep it now like it is (with the new parts from your dealer) or get a Hop Not Kit to feel more "safe" or get those Pedders bushings I'm running.

I didn't upgrade to Pedders because of possible issues like you had but for me the stock bushings are way to soft and shaky. The fit perfect for my grandpa's Mercedes but not for my Challenger.
 

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wow!
same here....never seen stuff like that before.

you have 3 choises. keep it now like it is (with the new parts from your dealer) or get a Hop Not Kit to feel more "safe" or get those Pedders bushings I'm running.

I didn't upgrade to Pedders because of possible issues like you had but for me the stock bushings are way to soft and shaky. The fit perfect for my grandpa's Mercedes but not for my Challenger.
How's the ride with the pedder's bushings? Need a special press/tool to install them yes?
 

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Those are some scary pictures. You're lucky in alot of ways. Warranteed or not. Those cradle bushings are scary looking when their new. 7000 miles on my hopnot stage 2 kit and no problems. They really do need to fix this problem.
 

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Not really suprised, too much rubber in these cars and ALL have a lifetime but yours were probably just bad. Hop not is just big washers to kinda solid mount them, if I pay-off car may put in the Pedders up the road. Stricnine just found CRACKS in his rear rubber driveshaft coupler, guess someone will make a better one someday? But as a TEXAN I was loving the "true story", till U said U drove thru the bluebonnets....... BS they are just now coming out, LMAO!:guiness:
 

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Not really suprised, too much rubber in these cars and ALL have a lifetime but yours were probably just bad. Hop not is just big washers to kinda solid mount them, if I pay-off car may put in the Pedders up the road. Stricnine just found CRACKS in his rear rubber driveshaft coupler, guess someone will make a better one someday? But as a TEXAN I was loving the "true story", till U said U drove thru the bluebonnets....... BS they are just now coming out, LMAO!:guiness:
Big washers? Responding to this would only hi-jack this thread.
 

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I have Pedders cradle bushings that I installed myself. I am very happy with the results, just wish they were not so damn expensive.

I have heard from a very reliable source that another source for rear cradle bushings will be available soon. It is one that I trust.
 
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