[mnpoolman]

Okay....the upbadging thread has seen its arguments with support and opposition of "upbadging". It's time to take a simple poll and let the masses decide the outcome of the debate. There is no need to respond with arguments of your stance....JUST VOTE!

Upbadging Definition: To use any item/s that would give another person the idea that your car is a different model than what it really is. In other words...to place an R/T logo in place of and SE logo or to place an emblem of a 426 Hemi on your car when it contains a 5.7 Hemi.

To install mods such as tires,wheels,SC,louvers,hoods,etc. does not qualify as "upbadging".

 

[mnpoolman]

I don't think the argument was over whether it was cool or not cool. This poll is too narrow in it's scope.

I never said it was "cool", but I was one of the ones advocating that it's a person own business whatever they want to put on their car, call their car, etc. and unless they tried to fraud someone in a sale it was "OK" with me.

The intention of this poll is the "narrow scope". Maybe I should re-word the poll to read right or wrong instead of cool or not cool. I agree that any person can put whatever they want on their own vehicle so that is not in question. You're either a "poser" or not. I'm not and my personal opinion of those that are does not matter right now. You either think it's okay to lie or you don't.

 

[mnpoolman]

I think the fact you chose "cool" or "not cool" speaks volumes.

You guys just can't get past the point of feeling you need to judge these people that upbadge. Calling them names like "poser" and "liars" is so middle school. Just get over it. Nothing they are doing has any impact on you personally AT ALL. The fact that you are upset with what someone else does to their car should scream the need for introspection.

My personal feeling is that upbadging is probably not a "cool" thing to do, UNLESS the person doing the upbadging likes his car better that way. Then, it is very cool to them, and that's all that really matters. And it doesn't devalue or make me feel bad for owning my R/T Classic one iota, because I'm secure in who I am, and the car I own.

This is exactly what I wanted to avoid...DEBATE. You claim calling an upbadger a poser or liar is "middle school" so tell me....what is the label of the persons that try to personify something they do not own into something that is deemed to be worth more in money and performance. here's another analogy.... Do you think you or any other person could ride a Honda motorcycle with a Harley emblem in place of the Honda emblem into Sturgis without getting the s**t kicked out of you? Probably not because most people do not agree with displaying something that is not true. This poll is for the masses of this forum to voice their opinion on whether they agree with upbadging or not. The fact that you live in the USA allows you to voice your opinion so take the poll if you choose and do your debating on the other thread.

 

[mnpoolman]

Exactly, but point lost on the people here that somehow feel they've been personally affected by someone that puts fake badges on his own car, and the structure of this poll plays to that mindset.

Gotta feel bad tho for anyone whose life is so wrapped up in their own car, and their own sense of what's wrong (when it comes to cars) they are blinded to people that have less than them aspiring to something better.

You are missing the point. Upbadging is not about the car, motorcycle, or any other material item. It's about the person or type of person they are or more so who they are trying to be. It's about lying and in most cases the lie is to make people think you have something you really do not have. If you truly think this is okay and that there is nothing wrong with lying then I will question the type of person you are. You can voice your opinion which ever way you choose but you have openly stated you do not agree with upbadging. Leave it at that like the majority of others. Debating a point opposite of what you believe proves what? To me personally you either don't believe what you present to us here, or you are a hypocrite. I'd use a political analysis but that would open up another debate.

 

[mnpoolman]

I think the fact you chose "cool" or "not cool" speaks volumes.

You guys just can't get past the point of feeling you need to judge these people that upbadge. Calling them names like "poser" and "liars" is so middle school. Just get over it. Nothing they are doing has any impact on you personally AT ALL. The fact that you are upset with what someone else does to their car should scream the need for introspection.

My personal feeling is that upbadging is probably not a "cool" thing to do, UNLESS the person doing the upbadging likes his car better that way. Then, it is very cool to them, and that's all that really matters. And it doesn't devalue or make me feel bad for owning my R/T Classic one iota, because I'm secure in who I am, and the car I own.

Here is your quote but you will find a way to argue your own quote and try to tell me I mis-read your quote. :liar:

 

[mnpoolman]

Todd,
Everything in our lives starts out as an idea.
Then we bring the idea into being.
People do that in different ways. Most successful businesspeople, such as yourself do this entirely on a subjective plane.
Others need to take small, objective steps toward their goals--perhaps because they lack your confident focus and don't feel they can make those big jumps all at once.
Consider that upbadging can be a manifestation of those small steps; it can be part of an objective creation process. The ultimate goal is to actually own the model of their dreams.
Gary

Gary - I get what your saying and please understand that I have never stated I "hate" people that upbadge such as noz34 claims. What I have stated is that whatever their reason is for upbadging may be, I do not agree with it. I personally think this is a "black or white" situation. You either agree that it is okay to do or you don't. Noz34 wants to debate his/her position on upbadging. My earlier post caught him/her in a contradiction and in fact a lie. This is the type of person I have little respect for. Everyone has their side to the upbadging but the poll numbers speak for themselves. Currently the vast majority of people that own Challengers agree that upbadging is something they do not agree with.

 

[mnpoolman]

How does your universe translate to you into a forum??

You quoted me and said lots. What's my point of view? I have not said one thing about it, that kind of arrogance from you is what guys on here are talking about. Go take a hard look in the mirror. You cannot get past your own view's to see anyone else's.

BULLSEYE....I could not have said this any better.

 

[mnpoolman]

what dentist or accountant is gonna kick my ass?

You've obviously never been to sturgis!!!!

 

[mnpoolman]

Polara71, when I google "upbadging" there is no definition. This means the OP of the poll was correct in defining what he meant by upbadging. I fully agree with this definition. You are the one who keeps insisting on an incredibly wide definition of upbagding that really includes rebadging, upgrading, debadging and downbadging.

When I google "badge" here is the first line I see:

an emblem (a small piece of plastic or cloth or metal) that signifies your status (rank or membership or affiliation etc.

Please note the OP's definition of upbadging is completely consistent with Google's definition of badge. Your wildly expansive definition is what is inconsistent.

Finally, I grow weary of your lectures on how others aren't tolerant, while at the same time you are quick to brand every one who disagrees with you as "arrogant" and implying they aren't providing you with your desired "honest" and "grown-up answers" when they disagree with you.

Please tone down your attacks on others who don't always share the exact same opinion as yourself. Let's keep this civil. You can make your point and defend your positions without denigrating those who disagree, which in this case happens to be the "arrogant masses" at CT. When someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean they are being dishonest or are not grown-up.

I was all but ready to reply to Polara71's ripping of my "upbadging" criteria and then I read this. MizzouRT hit the nail on the head so no response needed by me. Thank You !!!

 

[mnpoolman]

Apparently you aren't reading the other posts or perhaps are jaded in opinion. In many of the other posts fellows refer to dishonesty and integrity. Now I ask how that may differ from the examples given, you attempt to degrade my character .

Its all based on opinion and since I haven't attacked anyone and have been more than civil I find your response in poor taste. In asking for opinions and accepting those who disagree I really see no need for your last post accept to request me to not do what you are doing. Its posts like your last response that got the last thread locked.

I still find the definition given incorrect.

Okay....now I get it. Your thread was locked so you figure you should bring your bs over to this one. If you read VERY CAREFULLY I plainly stated this is a "poll" and not a thread to debate your position. I'm not sure what your deal is but the poll numbers speak loud and clear. 90% of the people that took the time to take this poll do not agree with "upbadging" so it is what it is. Have a nice day.

 

[mnpoolman]

I was on the receiving end in this and the other thread of some pretty nasty replies. I'm not here to voice my opinion again, but it's clear nothing said will change anyone's mind on this subject. People are either for it, against it, or don't care.

I'm just happy I've got my R/T, and I hope everyone else is happy with the car they own, however it is "badged".

For the record....noz34me and polara71 where primarily the two posters that originated the "nasty" comments and replies. Their name calling and labeling caused some backlash amongst people that take the opposite stance with respect to upbadging. Both noz34me and polara71 felt the need to debate their position without respecting the request that this poll thread was not generated as a debate thread. Both are upset that others do not agree with their stance so they continue to cause drama. I've stated this many times before. Please allow the poll numbers to dictate the overall stance of this subject.