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HI ALL!!!!

I have a few questions.. please bare with me.

My 2015 scat pack threw it's first CEL this past weekend showing a P219A error. Conspiracy or not - it popped up the day my factory warranty ran out (what kind of stupid luck is that, huh?!) I took it into the shop immediately and was notified that I'm 2 days out of warranty. Some background... I've brought the car in before previously for what felt like a misfire, but without any CELs showing up, they weren't able to do much. Now that it shows up, I'm SOL. Should i have bought the extended warranty? (lol i'm paranoid now)

The service tech "swapped over a couple of components", cleared the CEL and road tested it and the CEL did not come on again. I also did the air canister factory recall, not sure if that has anything to do with it. They want me to take the car back now and drive it as I normally would to see if the CEL pops up again. If the same thing happens, Do you think FCA would honor this work order if I talked to the warranty folks? Has anyone had a similar experience where something major happened close to end of warranty or right after end of warranty?

Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences! I appreciate it :)
 

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HI ALL!!!!

I have a few questions.. please bare with me.

My 2015 scat pack threw it's first CEL this past weekend showing a P219A error. Conspiracy or not - it popped up the day my factory warranty ran out (what kind of stupid luck is that, huh?!) I took it into the shop immediately and was notified that I'm 2 days out of warranty. Some background... I've brought the car in before previously for what felt like a misfire, but without any CELs showing up, they weren't able to do much. Now that it shows up, I'm SOL. Should i have bought the extended warranty? (lol i'm paranoid now)

The service tech "swapped over a couple of components", cleared the CEL and road tested it and the CEL did not come on again. I also did the air canister factory recall, not sure if that has anything to do with it. They want me to take the car back now and drive it as I normally would to see if the CEL pops up again. If the same thing happens, Do you think FCA would honor this work order if I talked to the warranty folks? Has anyone had a similar experience where something major happened close to end of warranty or right after end of warranty?

Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences! I appreciate it :)
You might get some post warranty good will.

All you can do now is take the car back and drive the car as you normally would and see what happens. That canister recall might addressed the error code.
 

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Has nothing to do w/the EVAP system/recall. The P219A can be an especially tricky fault to diagnose with several possible root causes and most often techs throw O2 sensors, spark plugs, or even intakes at it with no success.

The very best way for them to pinpoint this is to monitor injector pulsewidth during light throttle cruise/coast between 45-60 mph - one bank 1 injector's PW will be off by 10%+ from the others. Replacing that injector will resolve the P219A 99% of the time.

W/regard to goodwill - contact DodgeCares/FCA customer service to see if they can work something out since you're (barely) out of warranty.

Good luck, keep us updated!
 

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HI ALL!!!!

I have a few questions.. please bare with me.

My 2015 scat pack threw it's first CEL this past weekend showing a P219A error. Conspiracy or not - it popped up the day my factory warranty ran out (what kind of stupid luck is that, huh?!) I took it into the shop immediately and was notified that I'm 2 days out of warranty. Some background... I've brought the car in before previously for what felt like a misfire, but without any CELs showing up, they weren't able to do much. Now that it shows up, I'm SOL. Should i have bought the extended warranty? (lol i'm paranoid now)

The service tech "swapped over a couple of components", cleared the CEL and road tested it and the CEL did not come on again. I also did the air canister factory recall, not sure if that has anything to do with it. They want me to take the car back now and drive it as I normally would to see if the CEL pops up again. If the same thing happens, Do you think FCA would honor this work order if I talked to the warranty folks? Has anyone had a similar experience where something major happened close to end of warranty or right after end of warranty?

Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences! I appreciate it :)
Hi stphzy, I do apologize for the trouble you are experiencing with your Scat Pack. Please know that our team would be more than happy to provide an additional layer of assistance if you do end up connecting with your dealer again. What we can do is escalate a case on your behalf so that one of our Case Specialists could work alongside your dealer to find a potential solution to the concerns you’re currently experiencing. Feel free to follow up with us via private message if this would be of interest.
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Has nothing to do w/the EVAP system/recall. The P219A can be an especially tricky fault to diagnose with several possible root causes and most often techs throw O2 sensors, spark plugs, or even intakes at it with no success.

The very best way for them to pinpoint this is to monitor injector pulsewidth during light throttle cruise/coast between 45-60 mph - one bank 1 injector's PW will be off by 10%+ from the others. Replacing that injector will resolve the P219A 99% of the time.

W/regard to goodwill - contact DodgeCares/FCA customer service to see if they can work something out since you're (barely) out of warranty.

Good luck, keep us updated!
Thank you!
Here are the notes that the service tech wrote:
"15 mins since run/start, 66 MPH, 42% load, 199 deg F ECT, closed loop with fuel trims reading normal. Monitored bank 1 injector pulse width, all readings normal. Removed all spark plugs and performed cylinder compression test on both banks. All cylinders range between 250-255 PSI, except cylinder 3, reading 285 PSI. Swapped bank 1 ignition coils and spark plugs to bank 2. Cleared DTC. Conditions that caused DTC not present at this time. Recommend driving vehicle under similar conditions on freeze frame to attempt to duplicate concern (MIL, P219A DTC)."

I took the car back, drove approximately 100 miles and the CEL light popped back up. It's going back in on Monday.
 

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Hi stphzy, I do apologize for the trouble you are experiencing with your Scat Pack. Please know that our team would be more than happy to provide an additional layer of assistance if you do end up connecting with your dealer again. What we can do is escalate a case on your behalf so that one of our Case Specialists could work alongside your dealer to find a potential solution to the concerns you’re currently experiencing. Feel free to follow up with us via private message if this would be of interest.
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Thank you so much Rob, I appreciate it! I will definitely reach out via PM. My car will be going back to the dealer tomorrow because the same CEL error came back.
 

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If they can/will swap the injectors between banks, the P219A will either go away for awhile and/or will come back as a P219B. Detecting deviation in injector pulsewidth can be a tricky game, trust me ;) :
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^In this case it was quite easy to find the culprit injector but it's seldom this easy/obvious. All I can say is, overwhelmingly, P219A is due to a (marginally) faulty injector. Please let me know what the second dealer visit yields/how it turns out.
 

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Thank you so much Rob, I appreciate it! I will definitely reach out via PM. My car will be going back to the dealer tomorrow because the same CEL error came back.
Hi stphzy, I am sorry to hear that, but I am happy to help. Hope to hear from you soon.
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If they can/will swap the injectors between banks, the P219A will either go away for awhile and/or will come back as a P219B. Detecting deviation in injector pulsewidth can be a tricky game, trust me ;) :
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^In this case it was quite easy to find the culprit injector but it's seldom this easy/obvious. All I can say is, overwhelmingly, P219A is due to a (marginally) faulty injector. Please let me know what the second dealer visit yields/how it turns out.
Thanks for your insight!! You hit the nail right on the head.

They said that they will swap the injectors but they're waiting for o-rings. They also mentioned that most likely, I will have to take the car back and drive it around for a while to see if the code will come up again, unless I want to authorize someone from the dealership to take my car home and drive it around for a while. I'm not sure I like either option.. but I guess it's a lot of trial and error with these things?
 

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So here's the update:

Dealership notified me that they're waiting for o-rings to swap the injectors. They mentioned that I will most likely have to take the car home and drive it around to see if the code comes up again. They gave me the option to authorize someone to take the car home/drive it around to see if the code pops up again.

Can any service folks speak to this - is replacing the injectors not an immediate option? I'm just wondering if all this trial and error is procedural.

Thanks everyone for listening :)
 

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So here's the update:

Dealership notified me that they're waiting for o-rings to swap the injectors. They mentioned that I will most likely have to take the car home and drive it around to see if the code comes up again. They gave me the option to authorize someone to take the car home/drive it around to see if the code pops up again.

Can any service folks speak to this - is replacing the injectors not an immediate option? I'm just wondering if all this trial and error is procedural.

Thanks everyone for listening :)
For a warranty claim they have to demonstrate the failure and since they don't know which injector is problematic they're likely going to move some around and/or replace others as the injector pulsewidths/adaptives require. It's better that they take the time to drive it and get it right than make repeated guesses and have you come back time and again until they guess right. I've battled this fault several times myself and root causing then validating the fix can take some time and miles (not hundreds or anything crazy though).

I know it's an inconvenience but letting the tech do what they need to do to properly fix it is THE smart choice. Let me know if you have any Q's in the meantime and how the repair ultimately turns out. Hang in there!
 

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For a warranty claim they have to demonstrate the failure and since they don't know which injector is problematic they're likely going to move some around and/or replace others as the injector pulsewidths/adaptives require. It's better that they take the time to drive it and get it right than make repeated guesses and have you come back time and again until they guess right. I've battled this fault several times myself and root causing then validating the fix can take some time and miles (not hundreds or anything crazy though).

I know it's an inconvenience but letting the tech do what they need to do to properly fix it is THE smart choice. Let me know if you have any Q's in the meantime and how the repair ultimately turns out. Hang in there!
Thank you so much for your input! When you had this issue, did the dealership have the tech drive it around with your authorization? If so, did you feel comfortable authorizing them to do so? They are asking me to take the car back and drive it for 100 miles but this will be my 4th time asking to leave work early/come into work late and I'm starting to feel guilty LOL...
 

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Thank you so much for your input! When you had this issue, did the dealership have the tech drive it around with your authorization? If so, did you feel comfortable authorizing them to do so? They are asking me to take the car back and drive it for 100 miles but this will be my 4th time asking to leave work early/come into work late and I'm starting to feel guilty LOL...
Without making any promises (and hopefully not jinxing you in any way lol) a few general points given I work in the industry (and have my entire career going back almost 20 yrs now, fwiw) - technicians aren't out joyriding cars as much as the internet/movies might have you believe, at least not the highly skilled career guys. A car is just a job to them and they want to get it back to you ASAP given 1-they're not getting paid to drive the car, 2- they're not getting paid until they fix the car, 3- their pay/scores can drop if the car comes back in for a recheck for the same issue, 4- there's nothing fun/exciting about driving a customer's car...no matter how special our cars may be to us, when you work on/around them on a daily basis, driving them isn't very exciting, certainly not in a way that could lead to shenanigans related to 'wow I'll never get a chance to drive this again'...so to speak. I, personally speaking, have no problem letting any skilled dealer tech drive my/my family's cars. I should also mention that these days when dealing w/a customer car everyone assumes they're being recorded/monitored as well.

Not that there aren't horror stories out there but I can almost 100% guarantee techs are not out doing burnouts/driving customer cars for 'fun'. Restaurant/airport valets? Nope, I'll park it myself thanks ;)

So what was the most recent repair? And they're giving the car back to you now/asking you to put some miles on it?
 

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Without making any promises (and hopefully not jinxing you in any way lol) a few general points given I work in the industry (and have my entire career going back almost 20 yrs now, fwiw) - technicians aren't out joyriding cars as much as the internet/movies might have you believe, at least not the highly skilled career guys. A car is just a job to them and they want to get it back to you ASAP given 1-they're not getting paid to drive the car, 2- they're not getting paid until they fix the car, 3- their pay/scores can drop if the car comes back in for a recheck for the same issue, 4- there's nothing fun/exciting about driving a customer's car...no matter how special our cars may be to us, when you work on/around them on a daily basis, driving them isn't very exciting, certainly not in a way that could lead to shenanigans related to 'wow I'll never get a chance to drive this again'...so to speak. I, personally speaking, have no problem letting any skilled dealer tech drive my/my family's cars. I should also mention that these days when dealing w/a customer car everyone assumes they're being recorded/monitored as well.

Not that there aren't horror stories out there but I can almost 100% guarantee techs are not out doing burnouts/driving customer cars for 'fun'. Restaurant/airport valets? Nope, I'll park it myself thanks ;)

So what was the most recent repair? And they're giving the car back to you now/asking you to put some miles on it?
100% makes sense! Never thought of it that way - thank you!

So the service advisor said that they are going to swap the injectors but they needed to order o-rings. He recommends that I take the car back, drive it for another 100 miles, and the light will come back on within a few days for sure. Once that happens, bring the car back in and the tech will be able to better identify the problem. I guess it's a little vague because he's not the service tech, but he wasn't available to speak when the advisor called. I'll be picking it up tomorrow. Fingers crossed I won't call out of work too many more times. :D
 

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100% makes sense! Never thought of it that way - thank you!

So the service advisor said that they are going to swap the injectors but they needed to order o-rings. He recommends that I take the car back, drive it for another 100 miles, and the light will come back on within a few days for sure. Once that happens, bring the car back in and the tech will be able to better identify the problem. I guess it's a little vague because he's not the service tech, but he wasn't available to speak when the advisor called. I'll be picking it up tomorrow. Fingers crossed I won't call out of work too many more times. :D
Ok well as long as you feel like they're making progress, that's important. And that they're keeping you up to speed as much as they can. Advisors are no different than any other people - there's some strong/technically skilled ones and others that may be great communicators but not so strong on their technicals. Try not to hold that against them, they're in a tough spot between you/the customer and the (often grumpy) techs lol. If they lie/deceive that's a different story, but the important thing is the folks that KNOW the problem/car are the folks working on it. The advisor for better or worse is usually just a liason.

Based on what they seem to have told you it sounds like they're on the right path so hang in there. We'll stay tuned to hear more from you when available.

PS - driving w/the P219A fault & CEL is not harmful. It's sort of an early warning strategy (to some degree implemented to monitor emissions-altering levels of carbon buildup in DI engines, among other functions) thus it does not effect driveability nor 'hurt' your engine/catalysts, i.e. you're not running dangerously lean or anything crazy.
 

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Ok well as long as you feel like they're making progress, that's important. And that they're keeping you up to speed as much as they can. Advisors are no different than any other people - there's some strong/technically skilled ones and others that may be great communicators but not so strong on their technicals. Try not to hold that against them, they're in a tough spot between you/the customer and the (often grumpy) techs lol. If they lie/deceive that's a different story, but the important thing is the folks that KNOW the problem/car are the folks working on it. The advisor for better or worse is usually just a liason.

Based on what they seem to have told you it sounds like they're on the right path so hang in there. We'll stay tuned to hear more from you when available.

PS - driving w/the P219A fault & CEL is not harmful. It's sort of an early warning strategy (to some degree implemented to monitor emissions-altering levels of carbon buildup in DI engines, among other functions) thus it does not effect driveability nor 'hurt' your engine/catalysts, i.e. you're not running dangerously lean or anything crazy.
Thanks a lot!!! Your reply has made me feel a lot better. :D

I picked up the car and proceeded to drive it around all weekend with long and short trips on the highway. There has been no CEL all weekend. I'm bringing the car back to the dealership tonight for a drop off. Not sure if the o-rings were the problem - will update tomorrow once my advisor is back.
 

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I think I spoke too soon ...

The dealer called this morning and said that my car was good to go. I go to pick it up and as I'm leaving the dealer, I don't even make it to the light and the CEL comes back on. The lead tech takes my car back and checks the CEL code - same code, P219A. New o-rings and moving the injectors around didn't help with this.

They're unsure what's going on right now - they think "its internal". I'm not too sure how serious it is or what they mean by vaguely saying "its internal", but they weren't happy to see me pull the car back in. Big ol sigh. :(
 

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I have seen a few guys complain of 219A popping up after mods...myself included. The tuning community usually says to check for exhaust intake leaks (intake manifold bolts like to loosen on these engines). In my case the 219A did not show up until after my cam swap and only showed up after the ambient temps dropped. Drove the car from end of summer to fall with no issues. For me the only time it shows up is when I cruise down the highway...never came on while driving through the city. The other day I noticed signs of an exhaust leak at my header collector seal which I plan to address when the weather gets warmer. Anyways, just throwing it out there.
 
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