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Valvoline now offers the correct spec 0W40.

 

[DodgeCares]

The aggravation of this unicorn sweat is driving me nuts. Briefly, very few companies make a 0W40. I think Pennzoil has their Platinum and Ultra Platimum line, Castrol Edge, Mobile 1, Valvoline, and Amzoil.

I have looked for the unicorn PUP at Walmart, Autozone, and Napa. None carry it, except Napa has some 10 miles away at TWELVE DOLLARS per quart. I can get it on Amazon for SEVEN DOLLARS per quart. PUP is only sold in quarts by the way.

I'm not particularly happy feeling like I'm getting fleeced buying motor oil, when all other brands and weights come in 5 qt jugs for about $4 per quart, or $2-3 per quart if you hit a sale or rebate.

Yeah, annually, we aren't talking about much money but the principal is the issue. It seems FCA has built a car engine requiring magical oil that Pennzoil is reluctant to distribute and then only in tiny quantities.

So with that in mind are others running the competition Mobile 1, Castrol, Valvoline and Amzoil and what is your experience?

For @DodgeCares I would urge Dodge to lean on Pennzoil to put this in 5 qt jugs and get it distributed at a reasonable price, pronto.

Thank you for taking the time to provide your honest feedback, Dodgenovice. We've made sure to document accordingly!

Rob
Dodge Cares

 

[Dodgenovice]

I use Mobil 1 full synthetic 0W-40 (factory recommended) European formula oil for my 2009 SRT for $22 per 5 qt. jug. I buy it at my local Walmart when they have it in stock.

You can also buy it online from Walmart and Amazon (free delivery if you have Amazon Prime). Here are the web sites:

Mobil 1 FS European Car Formula Full Synthetic Motor Oil 0W-40, 5 Quart - Walmart.com - Walmart.com

Amazon.com: Mobil 1 - 153669 Synthetic Motor Oil 0W-40 5 Quart, 120760 : Automotive

Buy Mobil 1 - 153669 Synthetic Motor Oil 0W-40 5 Quart, 120760: Motor Oils - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

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Thanks, I'm using the Mobile 1 now, which is available at Costco for about $5 per qt which is at the high end of reasonable. And it was the apparent original recommended oil.

The question I suppose is whether this new Pennzoil Ultra with the MS-12633 is added benefit or snake oil.

Some posters above make good points and I've considered that the learning curve on these engines "MIGHT" have caused this additional MS-12633. Having looked at the virgin oil analysis it seems to have a high dose of moly, so who knows if that is a "trial and error" effect of a better product over time.

Or a gimmick...

Valvoline now offers the correct spec 0W40.

I've looked at Valvoline's spec sheets and do not see the MS-12633 recommended specs. Can you please point to this on Valvoline's product?

 

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I've looked at Valvoline's spec sheets and do not see the MS-12633 recommended specs. Can you please point to this on Valvoline's product?

Valvoline 0W-40 now meets MS-12633

So here's another choice for those looking to stay with an MS-12633 certified oil and it also comes in 5-quart jugs and is about $25 at Walmart. https://www.valvoline.com/our-products/motor-oil/advanced-full-synthetic-motor-oil Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

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[Dodgenovice]

I am frankly amazed this oil situation upsets so many. One would think if an owner was so upset by the "lack" of oil, or the factory recommending a specific oil that was not available in bulk from every backwater gas station/bait shop for ten cents a quart in multi-quart containers he would research this before the car purchase and shun the car.

You, like others, have largely missed the point. Try re-reading.

So, you're amazed that I'm annoyed that I bought an expensive product from a company that has changed its recommended oil company and weight at least 3 or 4 times leaving consumers like me a bit confused. Add to that, it's unusually difficult to actually FIND the unicorn recommended product IN STOCK anywhere but online ordering. (FYI, the last time I ordered oil shipped to me, I had a sloppy mess in a box because one of the 5 qt jugs broke open. So I'm a bit reluctant to have oil mailed to me.)

Part of it is price point. Part of it is whether this is a legit honest recommendation, or a bait and switch business scam and false advertising marketing gimmick charging 4x as much for the same product as the competition offers. I'd like to know because even if just $100 per year, I don't like throwing away hard-earned money I could use elsewhere.

Valvoline 0W-40 now meets MS-12633

So here's another choice for those looking to stay with an MS-12633 certified oil and it also comes in 5-quart jugs and is about $25 at Walmart. https://www.valvoline.com/our-products/motor-oil/advanced-full-synthetic-motor-oil Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

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Thanks. I had seen this before, and looked at that spec sheet. MS-6593 is listed on the specs. The criteria is MS-12633, not MS-6593. Someone else stated they thought they saw it on the Valvoline website...

It's admittedly confusing and I don't like being a confused consumer. I like to know what I'm buying and putting in my vehicle and I feel like these oil companies and car companies are just playing scams and games ...

 

[Dennis H]

I don’t mind spending $10 a quart on a car that cost almost 80k. I don’t use Pennzoil cause they PAY to be official. And, Amsoil is the only true synthetic. Others start with dino.

 

[Hal H]

The Pennzoil oil is pretty much not on retail store shelves.

A couple of times I've ordered it online through Walmart - one shipment got diverted back (damaged in transit) and then tried a 2nd time and got it.

Next was getting it from dealer - price not too bad ~ 7.65 / quart

Once I found out Valvoline has their European Vehicle formula which meets the MS-12633 spec, I've been using it for the past year. And is substantially lower price.

Both my vehicles use the same full syn 0W-40. Between the two of the them an oil change is 15 quarts.

the upside I've noticed is the valvetrain is a bit quieter with the Valvoline. Dodge is pushrod and the Benz is OHC

 

[Dodgenovice]

The Pennzoil oil is pretty much not on retail store shelves.

A couple of times I've ordered it online through Walmart - one shipment got diverted back (damaged in transit) and then tried a 2nd time and got it.

Next was getting it from dealer - price not too bad ~ 7.65 / quart

Once I found out Valvoline has their European Vehicle formula which meets the MS-12633 spec, I've been using it for the past year. And is substantially lower price.

Both my vehicles use the same full syn 0W-40. Between the two of the them an oil change is 15 quarts.

the upside I've noticed is the valvetrain is a bit quieter with the Valvoline. Dodge is pushrod and the Benz is OHC

Thanks. Several others have recommended the Valvoline saying it meets the MS-12633 specs. I don't see it on the spec sheet, which I've looked at several times, followed many links all to Valvoline's site. If it did meet this criteria it's not listed now. Maybe error, maybe dropped...

If anyone has an actual spec sheet please provide it.

I emailed Valvoline today to get the actual answer.

 

[Dodgenovice]

I emailed Castrol yesterday. Here's their response. Vague, a "yes, but no" answer, and really side-steps my question about the MS-12633 question which I expressly asked. I'll note I wrote Dodge weeks ago. No response.

The issue is that the recommendation "changed." Or was amended around 2015 for the newer engines, but is that retroactive to the older ones or did the engine designs change??? So what is a consumer to do??

Castrol's response:

"For a 2012 Dodge Challenger SRT-8 V8-6.4L vehicle, according to Castrol’s Lubrication Recommendation Guide, it says full synthetic engine oil that meets the American Petroleum Institute (API) categories of SM or SM/CF is required for use in SAE 0W-40 in all temperatures.

Castrol EDGE 0W-40 A3/B4 meets the American Petroleum Institute (API) categories of SN/CF therefore this oil would be suitable for use in said vehicle.

Castrol always recommends following the guidelines of the engine manufacturer for the recommended oil (i.e. SAE grade, API rating and manufacturer specifications) specific to your application. This information can always be found in the owner’s manual or by contacting the manufacturer directly. Before using any lubricant, ensure that the lubricant product specifications meet or exceed the lubricant specifications required by the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) for that specific use."

 

[Unicorn]

I use this in my 3 Hemis's.

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[A Guy]

Valvoline European Vehicle formula is just Recommended Application (same as people jump on Amsoil for), so if you must see an approval and licensed oil, it doesn't qualify

A Guy

 

[Dodgenovice]

Valvoline European Vehicle formula is just Recommended Application (same as people jump on Amsoil for), so if you must see an approval and licensed oil, it doesn't qualify

A Guy

Thank you for this document. There it is... Recommended applications MS-12633 for 0w40.

 

[19johned53]

Valvoline European Vehicle formula is just Recommended Application (same as people jump on Amsoil for), so if you must see an approval and licensed oil, it doesn't qualify

A Guy

Thanks.

"Must see" is what Chrysler will look for.

I guess that I "must see" it so I know Chrysler will see it, if a warranty issue shows up.

 

[A Guy]

Thank you for this document. There it is... Recommended applications MS-12633 for 0w40.

You are out of warranty I take it? if so, it's a choice for you, yes

A Guy

 

[Sledder9]

Am I the only one that uses factory specs to protect warranty, but in reality believes that just about any oil not bought from a gas station, changed at proper intervals, will rarely give problems?

 

[Dodgenovice]

You are out of warranty I take it? if so, it's a choice for you, yes

A Guy

Yes, it's a 2012 - so long out of warranty.

Here's a nice happy event...

You're not going to believe this but I just went to Amazon to look at that Valvoline 0W40 Euro and the Amazon note states that I purchased this already. I'm thinking, "huh?!"

So I look at my purchase history and sure enough, I did buy 10 qts of it last year around $4 per qt. During the rock-bottom oil prices, I loaded up heavy on oils at really low prices. Around Christmas - and before I was even aware of the MS-12633 specification - I bought 2 jugs of this stuff. I completely forgot about it and it's been tucked away with my other 216 qts of motor oils (and 92 filters) on my shelves... My goal is to have 5-10 years on hand for each vehicle.

A bit of a side note, but there were brief dips in oil prices in mid-late 2020 with rock bottom (negative) oil prices and lack of driving creating surplus inventory. I bought a lot of full synthetic oil for between $1-3 per qt - Valvoline, Kirkland, and some others. This 0W40 was a bit pricier but still a deal at ~$20 per jug.

I guess I got lucky with this Valvoline. I wish I had bought more of it! Now it's twice as expensive!

 

[SRT8outtaLA]

I'm currently grandfathered into the Amazon subscribe and save for the Pennzoil oil. It will always cost me $49.37 for a box with 6 quarts, this includes the tax. Sometimes it's cheaper without the subscribe and save so I could postpone the delivery. Guess it's helpful to be locked into the price. I still regret not getting the lifetime warranty for $2,300 just for the peace of mind. Guess it sort of keeps me less tied to the car. I don't really see a need to get rid of a car unless it's no longer worth fixing due to the value of the car dropping below the cost to repair

 

[Hal H]

Yes, it's a 2012 - so long out of warranty.

Here's a nice happy event...

You're not going to believe this but I just went to Amazon to look at that Valvoline 0W40 Euro and the Amazon note states that I purchased this already. I'm thinking, "huh?!"

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So I look at my purchase history and sure enough, I did buy 10 qts of it last year around $4 per qt. During the rock-bottom oil prices, I loaded up heavy on oils at really low prices. Around Christmas - and before I was even aware of the MS-12633 specification - I bought 2 jugs of this stuff. I completely forgot about it and it's been tucked away with my other 216 qts of motor oils (and 92 filters) on my shelves... My goal is to have 5-10 years on hand for each vehicle.

A bit of a side note, but there were brief dips in oil prices in mid-late 2020 with rock bottom (negative) oil prices and lack of driving creating surplus inventory. I bought a lot of full synthetic oil for between $1-3 per qt - Valvoline, Kirkland, and some others. This 0W40 was a bit pricier but still a deal at ~$20 per jug.

I guess I got lucky with this Valvoline. I wish I had bought more of it! Now it's twice as expensive!

until you see the Pennzoil 0W40 online at $10-11 / quart

 

[Pioneer4x4]

Also, I seriously doubt that anyone would have problems if
1 - they change as often as the manual REQUIRES 6K, 6 month.
2 - use ANY major 0w-40 full synthetic, period,that is required. The owners manual clearly states that the Chrysler spec is "recommended"
For the extra $10-$20, I'll keep drinking the Mopar/Valvoline Kool-Aid just to keep all my ducks in a row, plus one less thing for me to think about, and go over and over "which oil is best" when they tell me which oil to use.

 

[Byron]

Also, I seriously doubt that anyone would have problems if
1 - they change as often as the manual REQUIRES 5K, 6 month.
2 - use ANY major 0w-40 full synthetic, period,that is required. The owners manual clearly states that the Chrysler spec is "recommended"
For the extra $10-$20, I'll keep drinking the Mopar/Valvoline Kool-Aid just to keep all my ducks in a row, plus one less thing for me to think about, and go over and over "which oil is best" when they tell me which oil to use.

*6K, 6 month