[19johned53]

And 245/45's on standard SP's! 😆

 

[2ndgen]

And 245/45's on standard SP's! 😆

Exactly. SPs should come with at least 275s--which is still inadequate for a 392. Ideally, SPs should have 10.5s with 305s. Fitment is great, and they finally have sufficient traction.

 

[Dodgenovice]

Many of these things you think should be "stock, factory," would increase costs not-insignificantly, and are really only improvements for folks who intend to really routinely ride their cars extremely hard, track them, etc. e.g. abuse them.

I have never found my car needing 275s or 10.5" tires. I drive spiritedly and find the size is fine (the Eagles did suck, but the Continentals are great).

Again, on topic, find a documented example of oil filter failure. Until then this is all conjecture and speculation.

It will certainly be interesting if we could see some engine tear downs at 100k and compare if there's any difference between the two filters. Best case scenario, no difference.

In my case, I don't reach nearly 6k miles between oil changes. I might make it 500 miles every 6 months, or 1000 miles annually. Let's even double that on this non-daily driver, 6.4L weekend car. So 100,000 reflects 50 years. At my driving pace, on normal roads, typically driving lawfully, an oil filter failure to filter simply isn't within the realm of worry. I'll drive my car for 20-30 more years, and when I die it'll have maybe 30 or 40 thousand miles on it. My oil filter cost is trivial either way, but using the 899 filter is not going to harm my car.

Trivial costs involved, I understand, but don't see a issue with the factory OEM 899.

 

[lws43]

ive used the srt filter since ive gotten my car but sure wouldnt be nervous about a wix filter. They make good filters.

 

[Hal H]

I agree, generally. But do you think the engineers who built these cars, which SHIP FROM THE FACTORY WITH THE 899 FILTERS and a WARRANTY, would put an inferior filter on the car when they are literally on the hook to repair or replace the motor for many years and miles?

The biggest/best arguments in favor of the 899 filter is that this is what it comes with, during warranty period, and the Wix recommendation. Again, put on whatever filter gives you the warm feelings, but to my knowledge the 899 has never failed nor caused engine failures in billion(s)? of miles.

I don't consider the MO 899 as inferior. After all, its the OEM installation on every V8 from the 5.7 through the SRT Demon and Super Stock engines.

In the '08 - '10 SRT 6.1s the MO 041 was OEM installation. With all the changes post-bankruptcy, the MO 899 was OEM from '11 onwards with the 392 while the Viper (presumably) used the MO 041 from '09 through '17 since it was the application is was designed for...and Vipers priced at a far higher level

 

[Poncherello]

I have 375 SRT filters in my shed.... I sell them for $150 each...... on my 21 I use the Mustang II filter from 1973-1978, it mostly fits and runs $3 each

 

[SmakAttak]

Question about all of this:

It's been said that the Six 57063 is supposed to be most equivalent to the SRT 041, although I can't find the specs of SRT filter, Wix's website lists the Max Flow Rate of the 57063 to be 7-9gpm, with a 12 PSI bypass spring. Conversely, their 57899 AND 57899XP filters have a higher flow rate (9-11gpm) AND a higher bypass PSI (16). Filtration, spring type, and case strength aside, don't those specs suggest that the 57899(XP) filters are superior in at least a high-flow application?

Cutting the chase, I'm swapping in a hellcat oil pump on my 5.7, and I wanna make sure I'm selecting the right filter being that the flow will be higher. What's very strange is the 57063 is only listed as the correct filter for a 6.2L Hellcat years 16-17, but it's the 57899 for all other years. WTF?

 

[2ndgen]

Yes, the listed specs on the wix 57063 and 041 vs 899 are confusing in this regard. I haven't seen any real explanation.

The SRT engineers specifically said that the 041 was designed for lower micron filtration, stronger walls, and a much higher bypass pressure specifically to handle the higher oil pressures in the Viper V10. They also said to use the 041 in HCs for track days vs 899 for street use.

Other members have dissected them all and confirmed that the Wix 57063 and Mopar 041 appear identical. So the listed specs don't make sense. The specs do show lower micron filtration on the 041/57063 which matches what the SRT engineers said, but the other specs seem to be in contradiction.

HCs and REs have arrived from the factory with both the 041 and the 899 filter at one point or another.

 

[SmakAttak]

Yes, the listed specs on the wix 57063 and 041 vs 899 are confusing in this regard. I haven't seen any real explanation.

The SRT engineers specifically said that the 041 was designed for lower micron filtration, stronger walls, and a much higher bypass pressure specifically to handle the higher oil pressures in the Viper V10. They also said to use the 041 in HCs for track days vs 899 for street use.

Other members have dissected them all and confirmed that the Wix 57063 and Mopar 041 appear identical. So the listed specs don't make sense. The specs do show lower micron filtration on the 041/57063 which matches what the SRT engineers said, but the other specs seem to be in contradiction.

HCs and REs have arrived from the factory with both the 041 and the 899 filter at one point or another.

Thanks for the reply... yeah, it's the bypass pressure specifically that's got me vexed. I 'think' that's just for cold starts and blockages, but I'm concerned about the note alluding to accommodating higher oil pressures. AND, if the six 57063 is supposed to be similar, it has a LOWER bypass pressure than the 899.
So confusing..

 

[Dodgenovice]

Yes, the listed specs on the wix 57063 and 041 vs 899 are confusing in this regard. I haven't seen any real explanation.

The SRT engineers specifically said that the 041 was designed for lower micron filtration, stronger walls, and a much higher bypass pressure specifically to handle the higher oil pressures in the Viper V10. They also said to use the 041 in HCs for track days vs 899 for street use.

Other members have dissected them all and confirmed that the Wix 57063 and Mopar 041 appear identical. So the listed specs don't make sense. The specs do show lower micron filtration on the 041/57063 which matches what the SRT engineers said, but the other specs seem to be in contradiction.

HCs and REs have arrived from the factory with both the 041 and the 899 filter at one point or another.

While the 041 is theoretically stronger/better, I'm curious as a question for anyone:

Is there a single reported instance of a HC or any Challenger having a standard 0899 oil filter failure? I'm unaware of any ruptures or failures to filtrate.

 

[2ndgen]

While the 041 is theoretically stronger/better, I'm curious as a question for anyone:

Is there a single reported instance of a HC or any Challenger having a standard 0899 oil filter failure? I'm unaware of any ruptures or failures to filtrate.

How would you know? The SRT engineers recommend the 041 for track days. It stands to reason that running at WOT would maximize oil pressure and with the 899 maybe trip the bypass whereas with the 041 not. I don't know how you could tell if your filter's bypass is tripped or not. Data log your oil pressure and see how often it goes above the filter's rated bypass pressure and guess?

 

[SmakAttak]

How would you know? The SRT engineers recommend the 041 for track days. It stands to reason that running at WOT would maximize oil pressure and with the 899 maybe trip the bypass whereas with the 041 not. I don't know how you could tell if your filter's bypass is tripped or not. Data log your oil pressure and see how often it goes above the filter's rated bypass pressure and guess?

I’m not sure the bypass works that way…i.e., at WOT. The bypass pressures (at least on the Wix filters) are 16psi or lower, so I “think” it’s designed to not STOP oil flow when there’s an issue, or the pressure is so low (like at start-up) that the filtration might starve the engine. Perhaps it’s designed to bypass at a LOWER pressure if there is oil starvation due to g-force. The WOT case would have oil at max pressure, so the bypass wouldn’t come into play, but the filter’s media quality and case strength would be the concern at high pressures. Also, the 041 has spiral grooves in its can I believe to help the flow especially with g-force.

 

[2ndgen]

My understanding is that the bypass skips the filter media to protect it.
The last thing you'd want is a surge of pressure to rupture the filter and have no filtering at all until your next filter change--so a bypass to protect it (and temporarily have no filtering) is the safety mechanism.

Thus the more you trip the bypass the more often you're letting unfiltered oil circulate...

 

[HVGC]

While doing my first 500 mile (after break-in cycle) maintenance and oil change today, I noticed that the recommended 339AB MOPAR oil filter is built not only exactly like a WIX (because it is a WIX) but also has a magnet at the bottom of the filter. Thought that was very cool.

ALSO - While searching for model matches in the oil filter's list at MOPAR.com before today, I had noticed another type of oil filter that also fits my car.

Alas: the MOPAR Performance filter.

It is a totally different part number and some of them look exactly like the SRTs... has anyone else noticed these or looked into them?

 

[rayzazoo]

Here is some collected data

 

[Moman63]

B Mason just uploaded a comparison cut apart of 899 vs. 041. I just ordered 2 from amazon. In in a few days. About 15 bucks each. Important Imo if you are worried about Hemi tick and low oil pressure. I run thicker oil, just add some 10- 40 mobile one like 2 quarts in addition to the recommended weight on my Ram Hemi. Have 50 psi pressure and never below 30 at idle. 195 thermostat keeps the oil a bit cooler and helps. These filters are a must. Unless I can source a larger bodied filter of quality construction.

 

[Dodgenovice]

B Mason just uploaded a comparison cut apart of 899 vs. 041. I just ordered 2 from amazon. In in a few days. About 15 bucks each. Important Imo if you are worried about Hemi tick and low oil pressure. I run thicker oil, just add some 10- 40 mobile one like 2 quarts in addition to the recommended weight on my Ram Hemi. Have 50 psi pressure and never below 30 at idle. 195 thermostat keeps the oil a bit cooler and helps. These filters are a must. Unless I can source a larger bodied filter of quality construction.

The oil pressure in my 2012 SRT is consistently in the mid-high 60s when driving highway speeds. I've used a generic filter made by Wix, a Mobil1 210a, and it now has a Mopar M0899 filter.

I've also used Mobil1 0w40, PUP 0w40, and now Castrol 0w40. It all runs and sounds the same as far as I can tell.

I think daily driving no need for the SRT 041 filter.