If your going to drag race then get it with the 8 speed auto tranny.

 

Yeah I agree performance wise an auto is better for drag racing but it’s primarily a weekend driver and sometimes the drag strip when I can. I love manuals so much more engaging than auto. If it was a dedicated drag race car then yeah I agree go with the auto

 

If you're finding the 4 piston brakes didn't do enough for you...

A SP with
*SP appearance group
*Dynamics Pkg

is about $1k less than a T/A 392

Remember that on both models, the houndstooth cloth seats are std. Its extra for the Alcantara / leather which is extra cost, on top of SPAG option on SP model.

The CAI on the T/A may help on the strip, but the engines are the same between the two models you're comparing.

 

I can tell you the Dynamics Package is absolutely worth the price. $2k for four wheels and 6 piston Brembos. You wouldn't be able to get the wheels or the brakes alone for that price so in my opinion it's a steal.

Yeah that’s the dilemma I find my self in. Those packages come in at 1k less than the T/A which either model I definitely won’t be getting just a waste of money. Is there anything different the T/A would give me that the dynamics package doesn’t performance wise? Are there suspension differences between a dynamic scat and a T/A?

The brakes I’m wondering if there than big of a difference between 4 and 6 piston brakes because aren’t either the same size? I suppose one could make the argument aftermarket wheels would be wider and better suited for 305’s also.

 

I can tell you the Dynamics Package is absolutely worth the price. $2k for four wheels and 6 piston Brembos. You wouldn't be able to get the wheels or the brakes alone for that price so in my opinion it's a steal.

 

The suspension is the same between the two. I can't comment on the difference between the 4 and 6 since I've never driven one with the 4 piston. You could also get the dynamics package and then sell the wheels which would cover a good chunk of the cost of going aftermarket.

 

That is a damn good idea never thought about that. So getting the T/A is really just for visual. So then focusing on the Scat pack vs Scat W/dynamics package then the package offers no suspension changes and only brakes, tires, wheels. If the rotors/pads are the same size aren’t you essentially paying 2.2k for 9.5 wheels and 275 all season? I suppose concerning the brakes the question comes in does a 6 piston resist fade/stop that much better than a 4 piston to justify the price of the package. I’m pretty one could pick up 10.5 after market wheels w/ 305 DR’s and still be below 2.2k

 

It really depends on how you break it down and how you look at it. This package came out right before I bought my car so I lucked out. I really liked the wheels and the brakes were a bonus. I wasn't a fan of the other two wheel styles for the Scat Packs and would have probably gone aftermarket which in the long run probably would have cost more money. The only negative to this package is that honestly, the tires suck (I have the all seasons). I am potentially considering getting an 18x10 wheel with 305 Nitto DR tires for the rear and then switching out the stock tires for winter tires and run them when winter comes. If I don't do that, I may just swap the tires out.

 

Mechanically between T/A 392 and SP + Dynamics Pkg the suspensions are the same as would be the brakes when their configured.

The 9.5" wheels will easily accommodate a 295 tire, don't think shops would fit 305 on those wheels.

It comes down to which appearance you like between the two. Engine, suspension and brakes are similar.

The 6 piston brakes - this option is the cheapest way to get them. The parts to buy new exceed that by > 63% over what the option is from factory.

 

Being that the suspension is the same I think it comes down to the brakes. I’m not that knowledgeable on brakes but isn’t the difference between 4 and 6 piston how even pressure is applied to the caliper to rotor? Is it that you brake harder or just more evenly to reduce fade? I just remember at the drag strip with my ‘17 Scat Pack 392 after the second third pass slowing down the brakes pretty faded.

 

Just get a SRT and you'll have the best of both worlds.

Mopar or No Car

 

Haha if I had the cash I would

 

its the larger swept area that the 6 piston brakes have over the 4 piston. The pad and rotor areas are larger.

The # of pistons is to distribute the pressure evenly across an every dimensionally larger pad to insure it has proper contact across the rotor to do its job.

Brake fade can happen on anything when it heats up. the 6 pistons will have a higher threshold since there's more pad & rotor area - vehicle weight is the same, so you have two different brake systems working with the same load.

 

Great explanation! So it helps with heat/fade not really brake power. Since we are the subject and SRT model was brought up. Given a manual does the “Race” option for engine do anything different from sport?

 

they'll probably bit harder with the 6 piston versions - there's more working area.

Much like how the 4 piston response is over the 2 piston Bosch setup on the R/T models

 

Having read that there was quite a few t/a leftovers available and all things as far as color choices being equal , I would think that a savvy shopper could get a t/a at a better markdown and then use the savings towards making it more the car you would like it to be. Would different/ better brake pads offset the 6/4iston brake difference? Light weight tires and rims for drag racing could be had for about 1000 bucks.
Again. It's all about the deal at the beginning.

 

That’s true it all depends on how much they charge. I got my 17’ scat pack I got for 31.5. If I could get a killer deal on a T/A I would hop on one.

 

Prepare to be disappointed with your 6-speed at the track, that's really the only place the car won't be a blast though. I've been there, done that!

 

Yeah I agree auto is faster but in my opion nothing is better than a stick. If it was a dedicated only drag racing car yeah I agree go auto. My ‘17 scat Pack was a 6 speed and it was still fun on the strip just not as fast though

 

If you going to use the car for Drag racing, buy the lowest optioned car on the lot with the bare escentuals for the weight savings. I am a stick guy so I would go for a 6spd, but you are going to give up a 1/2 second or more to the 8spd auto. As far as breaking goes, if your brakes are fading after a few 1/4 mile passes it sounds like you are braking hard at the finish line for the first turn off. Slowly pump the brake and coast to the end of the track( it's a quarter mile acceleration contest not a braking contest). I race my 2012 R/t 6spd and never experienced brake fade in four seasons. My 66 Dart 4 spd runs through the quarter at 126 mph with Wilwood 11 inch rotors and 4 piston calipers and 10 inch drums on the back and never had brake fade. The brakes on the Dart are 18 years old and aren't even 1/3 of the way wore out yet and I drive it on the street too, save your brakes for when you need them instead of every time you go to stop.

 

I have to agree with 19Dart66, Going the M6 route isn't for the faint of heart. Get the lowest options out there, you will be spending your money on upgrades to out perform the A8 cars. I'm also a M6 guy, I'm close to what an A8 car can do performance wise in the 1/4, but I've spent twice as much money on my car than the average A8 owner has spent. Also be prepared for broken parts. I've gotten luck thus far with my warranty covering the bulk of my high dollar repairs, but it may not go that way for everyone.

Great responses guys. Yeah maybe it was just user error that’s entirely possibly. I’m not entirely making it a dedicated drag car just when I can get to the track and back road driving on the weekends. The question I keep debating is if the dynamic pack is worth it versus the performance driving I would be doing which is drag racing since my area has no road course tracks.

Also definitely the auto is faster but idk how much. My 17’ Scat M6 went 13.6 on 245 all seasons. Which was interesting because he 16’ Charger Hellcat I went against ran 12.8 and t was auto

 

I have to agree with 19Dart66, Going the M6 route isn't for the faint of heart. Get the lowest options out there, you will be spending your money on upgrades to out perform the A8 cars. I'm also a M6 guy, I'm close to what an A8 car can do performance wise in the 1/4, but I've spent twice as much money on my car than the average A8 owner has spent. Also be prepared for broken parts. I've gotten luck thus far with my warranty covering the bulk of my high dollar repairs, but it may not go that way for everyone.

 

I didn't want to pee on his dream but you are correct. If this is going to be main mode of transportation & your going to use drag radials at the track, you are going to have drive-train issues. Read too many stories on here of parts breakage w sticks.

 

What kind of issues would I have would you think? I can see maybe drive shaft?

 

Here's some side by side shots of the 4-piston vs the 6-piston Brembos, despite the huge difference in size only about a 4 lb increase with the 6-pistons, rotors are 15.4 inches vs 14.2.

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Wait so the 6 piston brakes are actually bigger than the 4 piston? So there’s more difference to them than just the number of pistons?

 

Wow those are huge. I love them. I can’t wait to find the deal I’m looking for to upgrade to the Brembos on my 13 R/T


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Hey guys wanted to revive this thread as I was getting ready to make a move on a 2018 Challenger. I’m still debating the worth of the dynamic pack on the scat pack. I fully plan on still going with 305 drag radials so I’m going to be getting aftermarket wheels so the wheels in the dynamic pack are eliminated and it ends up being 2200 for brakes. My question is does anyone know what the cost of the 15.4inch bremboa would be on their own. Also does anyone know why the dynamic wheels could go for selling privately?

 

Its well over 3k to get the 6 piston setup for the parts (calipers, rotors, etc). The 6 piston brakes would have different wheel offset compared to what the 4 piston Brembo requires.

Its always cheaper to get the OEM installed option vs. trying to retrofit afterwards (with OEM parts).
-unless you can get take-offs for dirt cheap and install yourself.

 

I have the 6 piston Brembos and love them.
That is, once I got used to how sensitive/responsive they are. But if I was in your position, I would be asking myself are they necessary. In my opinion, not really.The only time they may be a bit useful is at the higher speed at the end of your drag run.
Ask the many Scat Pack drag racers what they think about braking at the drag strip, with their 14.2" 4-piston front rotors and the identical rear 13.8" rotors as the SRT's.

 

I'm WAY TOO NEW to have much opinion on the "Auto" vs "Manual" and it's drag racing potential in the Challenger alone........but speaking GENERALLY about the topic is easy.

Today, computer assisted launch modes and the fact that Autos have MORE gears inside the case........there is no way to justify a Manual Transmission as the better choice for Drag racing.

Auto's have always been easier on the rest of the drive-train......that's nothing new......banging shifts with a manual is fun and for some of us it's the only REAL RACING......but it will break parts more often and you just can't beat the consistency of Computer controlled Automatic.

Automatics are in the lead now.....and only getting farther ahead of manuals each year. A new 10 speed auto in the Camaro and Mustang has given the Coyote powered Mustangs their first Sub-4.0sec 0-60MPH in stock form.

All this said though.......this is an old school throw-back ride for me and even though my TA 392 is slower at the drag strip than it might otherwise have been......the whole experience everywhere else just wouldn't be complete without the "stick".

My car will never see the drag strip anyway......it's just too damned heavy and there are easier platforms to work with for this use.....but no doubt in my mind about the choice.......if I had wanted to go drag racing with this car......I'd have bought the Automatic instead for sure.

 

I get your point but drag racing as a sport is not doing itself any favors with automatics. Yes, it’s technically faster than a manual in identical situations but at that point is it really racing? If all you want to do is mash the gas peddle and go straight than sure I guess it’s faster but it has nothing to do with your skill it’s really just manufacture A vs manufacture B it has nothing to do with you the competitor. I think as time goes on and people, America specifically, becomes more and more obessed with statistics we lose even more sight of what racing, to more of an extent driving, is. It’s driver vs driver. Winning or losing for a race of two properly prepped cars came down to driver skill not computers so on top of other factors that’s why I like stick but I totally get your point and respect it.

Side note I think this is why F1 has been diminishing there’s so much tech and driver aid the driver is almost a non factor as long as he is atleast competent. They have tons of driver aids, computers changing aero and tire pressure on the fly, paddle gear boxes I think it takes away from the sport. Especially compared to the insane days of Senna and Probast battling in 1200hp manual F1 machines with no aero or aids that was true driver skill.

 

Oh and I ordered a 2018 scat pack 6MT with dynamic and appearance pack which is why I created the thread anyways

 

Congrats on the purchase! I totally agree about the manual trans. I love mine. I'm just annoyed the dynamics package wasn't available yet in 2016 when I ordered my car. I would have went for that in a heartbeat. You made a great choice. Enjoy

 

have to throw in my 2 cents,, love my 6 spd so damn fun to drive and while yes the autos are supposed to be faster and generally are at the, the 6 spd is way more fun! get yourself a barton shifter though the factory shifter is a POS, Im going to sacramanto raceway this weekend to see what i can do with the addition of aluminum ds, urethane bushings and a tune since i was last at the track ( 12.7 was my best so far)

 

Yeah I love my 6 speed. I actually don’t kind the factory shifter it’s not bad probably do the baron down the road. You should definitely go faster than a 12.7 with all that. I ran a 12.8 last year in 17’ 6MT Scat on 245 all seasons

 

Glad to see more M6 guys tracking their cars. Also glad to see folks still buying M6 cars. That’s the only way we will get Chrysler to keep making them.


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Completely agree. Couldn’t care less about how an auto is faster manual is far more fun for the 5 times a year the average consumer will actually go to the track.

 

5 times at the track per year is a lot IMO. I bet the average person never even goes and most people are lucky to get out 1-2 times per year. Can;t argue with the 6M being fun, and it's quite the time we are living in when a high 12-low 13 car could be considered lacking! LOL

 

Yeah that’s a very good point it’s still very quick. People get way to caught up in stats it’s just selling points

It’s the reason the world no longer has manual Ferrari’s and Lamborghini’s

 

You make a good point about the average person getting out 5 times a year. I wish I was average. I’ve been out 5 times already this year. And the season has just gotten started. I just hope I can make it to the end of the season with breaking anything major.


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tomorrow will be my first track day this year!!!! im hoping to hit a 12.4 -12.5 if i can not f**k up the launch lol ill let you know how it goes